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Former CIA officer charged in alleged leaks

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The Justice Department on Monday charged a former CIA officer with repeatedly leaking classified information, including the identities of agency operatives involved in the capture and interrogation of alleged terrorists.

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In its criminal filing, the Justice Department obscured many of the details of Kiriakou’s allegedly illegal disclosures. But the documents suggest that Kiriakou, 47, was a source for stories in 2008 and 2009 about some of the agency’s most sensitive operations after the Sept. 11, 2001, terrorist attacks, including the capture of alleged al-Qaeda operative Abu Zubaydah and the interrogation of the self-proclaimed mastermind of the attacks, Khalid Sheikh Mohammed.

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The Justice Department also said that the information Kiriakou supplied to journalists also contributed to a subsequent security breach at the U.S. prison at Guantanamo Bay. Kiriakou’s disclosures, according to the Justice Department, enabled defense attorneys to obtain photographs of CIA operatives suspected of being involved in controversial interrogations, pictures that were subsequently discovered in prisoners’ cells.

Former CIA officer charged in leaks - The Washington Post
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So here we go...Media darling during the Bush administration, and clips from his interview on ABC used endlessly in here by libs attacking Bush, turned Democrat Senate Staffer, is now charged for leaking information....

How many libs in here will now call for him to go to prison like they did over the Plame case?


j-mac
 
j-mac said:
So here we go...Media darling during the Bush administration, and clips from his interview on ABC used endlessly in here by libs attacking Bush, turned Democrat Senate Staffer, is now charged for leaking information....

How many libs in here will now call for him to go to prison like they did over the Plame case?


j-mac
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OK, how do they compare? Cheney and folks sought to out, and this administration:

The case is the latest legal move by an administration that has been more aggressive than its predecessors in seeking to stem the flow of government secrets to the press. Other efforts include the pending trial of an Army private accused of sending classified intelligence files to the Web site WikiLeaks, and the prosecution of a former CIA analyst accused of disclosing secrets about agency operations against Iran to a reporter from the New York Times.
 
Boo Radley said:
OK, how do they compare?
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How? Well, Bush and or Cheney didn't 'out' any CIA operative, or interrogation techniques. This guy did, and what I find particularly disgusting about this case is that he leaked these things to the press to undermine his own countries efforts, and the liberal media that just ate it up....

Cheney and folks sought to out
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Not true at all...It was Powell's guy (Whom we all know by now is more liberal than conservative) Armitage that leaked the name...

But this really isn't about Plame...That horse is dead. The only reason I even brought it up was to remember who this guy was, because it was around the same time frame that he WAS leaking and compromising the US. And he is a demo staffer....So, please continue to deflect.

j-mac
 
j-mac said:
How? Well, Bush and or Cheney didn't 'out' any CIA operative, or interrogation techniques. This guy did, and what I find particularly disgusting about this case is that he leaked these things to the press to undermine his own countries efforts, and the liberal media that just ate it up....
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They did try. And Armitage being first doesn;t change that. If your rob a 7-11, and I come in after you to rob it, I'm not innocent just because it has already been robbed.

Not true at all...It was Powell's guy (Whom we all know by now is more liberal than conservative) Armitage that leaked the name...

But this really isn't about Plame...That horse is dead. The only reason I even brought it up was to remember who this guy was, because it was around the same time frame that he WAS leaking and compromising the US. And he is a demo staffer....So, please continue to deflect.

j-mac
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See above. But what I wnat to know is how you see this as comparable? No one I know of among democrats was defending anyone for outing CIA agents. That as I recall was what republicans were doing.
 
j-mac said:
How? Well, Bush and or Cheney didn't 'out' any CIA operative, or interrogation techniques. This guy did, and what I find particularly disgusting about this case is that he leaked these things to the press to undermine his own countries efforts, and the liberal media that just ate it up....

Not true at all...It was Powell's guy (Whom we all know by now is more liberal than conservative) Armitage that leaked the name...

But this really isn't about Plame...That horse is dead. The only reason I even brought it up was to remember who this guy was, because it was around the same time frame that he WAS leaking and compromising the US. And he is a demo staffer....So, please continue to deflect.
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I don't know the details of the current investigation but I will say, what he did leak was that we were waterboarding people which is hardly a state secret for any reason other than its embarrassing.

Also, since when is Colin Powell too much of a liberal to be trust? Are you serious? The guy has done more to serve this country than you could do in 10 lifetimes.
 
How is this not treason - that's what I'm trying to understand.
 
Bailiff! Whack his pee-pee! :smash:

 
Ockham said:
How is this not treason - that's what I'm trying to understand.
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The answer to your question is right in the Constitution:

Treason against the United States, shall consist only in levying War against them, or in adhering to their Enemies, giving them Aid and Comfort. No Person shall be convicted of Treason unless on the Testimony of two Witnesses to the same overt Act, or on Confession in open Court. The Congress shall have Power to declare the Punishment of Treason, but no Attainder of Treason shall work Corruption of Blood, or Forfeiture except during the Life of the Person attainted.

What he's done doesn't constitute(literally) treason. And just to poke the at the fire, I thought conservatives were the biggest Constitution junkies out there
 
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j-mac said:
So here we go...Media darling during the Bush administration, and clips from his interview on ABC used endlessly in here by libs attacking Bush, turned Democrat Senate Staffer, is now charged for leaking information....

How many libs in here will now call for him to go to prison like they did over the Plame case?


j-mac
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If he leaked classified information, he certainly should be imprisoned for a nice long time. So, j-mac, what did you think about the Plame case.
 
Boo Radley said:
They did try. And Armitage being first doesn;t change that. If your rob a 7-11, and I come in after you to rob it, I'm not innocent just because it has already been robbed.



See above. But what I wnat to know is how you see this as comparable? No one I know of among democrats was defending anyone for outing CIA agents. That as I recall was what republicans were doing.
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Keep up the silly there Joe....It is amusing...You don't see the problem saying even now, that it was repubs leaking the names of CIA agents, which was a false claim designed to damage the administration for political purposes, when in fact a democrat senate aid was one who WAS doing such....You are funny man....


j-mac
 
Ockham said:
How is this not treason - that's what I'm trying to understand.
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We throw heavy terms like treason around way too lightly lately.
 
Redress said:
If he leaked classified information, he certainly should be imprisoned for a nice long time. So, j-mac, what did you think about the Plame case.
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I thought it was a witch hunt politically designed to hamper an administration by making false claims of outing a CIA employee that was not undercover. And was proved right by the fact that all Fitz got was a process charge for tripping up Scooter. Very similar to how most witch hunts end. There was no there, there....


j-mac
 
j-mac said:
I thought it was a witch hunt politically designed to hamper an administration by making false claims of outing a CIA employee that was not undercover. And was proved right by the fact that all Fitz got was a process charge for tripping up Scooter. Very similar to how most witch hunts end. There was no there, there....


j-mac
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So leaking nonpublic/classified information for political/personal gain is ok when republicans do it but not when democrats do it?
 
j-mac said:
I thought it was a witch hunt politically designed to hamper an administration by making false claims of outing a CIA employee that was not undercover. And was proved right by the fact that all Fitz got was a process charge for tripping up Scooter. Very similar to how most witch hunts end. There was no there, there....


j-mac
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That works if you ignore what Fitz said, that he was hindered by Libby, and therefore could not reach the truth.
 
Redress said:
So leaking nonpublic/classified information for political/personal gain is ok when republicans do it but not when democrats do it?
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Not at all...What gives you that idea?


j-mac
 
Boo Radley said:
That works if you ignore what Fitz said, that he was hindered by Libby, and therefore could not reach the truth.
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Fitz knew that Armitage was the source at the beginning...He kept that to himself instead of announcing it solved to justify his own waste of money and time...As most SP's do. Fitz thought sure he was going to make a bigger name for himself, a once in a lifetime chance to nail a high level administration official....He tried everything he could to do that, even though he knew the outcome, and the fact that he knew the leaker early on, and kept going charging Scooter, and never charging Armitage the real leaker makes me wonder what deeper was going on here.

j-mac
 
Oh look another "gotcha" thread by j-mac.

Here, I'll give you what you want:

YEAHHHHH!! The Dems are betraying our country too! See! Wooohooooo!!! Victory! :2dancing:
 
j-mac said:
So here we go...Media darling during the Bush administration, and clips from his interview on ABC used endlessly in here by libs attacking Bush, turned Democrat Senate Staffer, is now charged for leaking information....

How many libs in here will now call for him to go to prison like they did over the Plame case?


j-mac
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If he's guilty, he certainly should go to prison. As for the Plame case, there should have been more bodies in federal prison for that than the scapegoat who was ordered to fall on his sword.

Treason isn't a partisian issue. Shame on those who continually try to make it one.
 
Wiseone said:
The answer to your question is right in the Constitution:

Treason against the United States, shall consist only in levying War against them, or in adhering to their Enemies, giving them Aid and Comfort. No Person shall be convicted of Treason unless on the Testimony of two Witnesses to the same overt Act, or on Confession in open Court. The Congress shall have Power to declare the Punishment of Treason, but no Attainder of Treason shall work Corruption of Blood, or Forfeiture except during the Life of the Person attainted.

What he's done doesn't constitute(literally) treason. And just to poke the at the fire, I thought conservatives were the biggest Constitution junkies out there
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Sometimes you let the horse find it's own way to water instead of leading it there. :tocktock2
 
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j-mac said:
Fitz knew that Armitage was the source at the beginning...He kept that to himself instead of announcing it solved to justify his own waste of money and time...As most SP's do. Fitz thought sure he was going to make a bigger name for himself, a once in a lifetime chance to nail a high level administration official....He tried everything he could to do that, even though he knew the outcome, and the fact that he knew the leaker early on, and kept going charging Scooter, and never charging Armitage the real leaker makes me wonder what deeper was going on here.

j-mac
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Again, that doesn't matter. Liek I said, if some robs the store before I do, that doesn't make me innocent when I try to rob it. Armintage being first doesn't mean Cheney and company weren't trying to out her, didn't contribute to the outing. It is also likely that what Armitage did wasn't illegal, and what Cheney and company may have done would have been found illegal.

But, you would have to think it through, listen and not see only through the partisan lense to understand. :coffeepap
 
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