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    Re: Rand Paul detained by TSA

    Quote Originally Posted by misterman View Post
    Ah. Your best chance is to make sure terrorists can't get on the plane, but okay.
    Well, yes, I suppose that's true, but it assumes that a terrorist can reliably be identified as such before he actually attempts to board an aircraft with the intent of using it to commit an act of terrorism. How well has the TSA performed this feat? It seems to me that the TSA has done an excellent job of protecting us against acts of terrorism committed by 3-year-old girls, 95-year-old women, and now, one of our own Senators.

    As often as they keep on crying “Wolf!”, do you suppose that, in the event that they actually catch a genuine terrorist, anyone will be foolish enough to believe them?
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    Re: Rand Paul detained by TSA

    There was such thing as Airport security prior to 9/11. The government felt it had to take it over. When it was run privately by the airport, you could use your dollar to influence bad policies. Now that the government is in charge of it, they are taking your dollar to enforce bad policies. I am not against security. I am against losing my rights in the name of "security".

    Thank you Sen. Paul for speaking up.
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    Re: Sen. Rand Paul ‘detained’ by TSA in Nashville, TSA denies

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    Then let Rosa Parks refuse to comply with the TSA. Congressmen are not above the law and, in fact, should be held to the highest standard when it comes to obeying them.
    Don't be absurd. He has never claimed he is above the law. He simply believes that the scanners are programmed to go off randomly so that TSA has an excuse to pat down people, and that passengers should have the right to be re-scanned when that happens rather than an intrusive bodily pat down.

    When TSA finally relented and let him go through the scanner again, there was no alarm. That means either the scanner WAS set to alarm randomly or it malfunctioned the first time he went through.

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    Re: Sen. Rand Paul ‘detained’ by TSA in Nashville, TSA denies

    Quote Originally Posted by Gill View Post
    Don't be absurd. He has never claimed he is above the law. He simply believes that the scanners are programmed to go off randomly so that TSA has an excuse to pat down people, and that passengers should have the right to be re-scanned when that happens rather than an intrusive bodily pat down.

    When TSA finally relented and let him go through the scanner again, there was no alarm. That means either the scanner WAS set to alarm randomly or it malfunctioned the first time he went through.
    Or.......do you suppose they should check the room he was held in to check for where he hid the bomb?

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    Re: Sen. Rand Paul ‘detained’ by TSA in Nashville, TSA denies

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    Or.......do you suppose they should check the room he was held in to check for where he hid the bomb?
    I think he must have implanted it into his knee.

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    Re: Sen. Rand Paul ‘detained’ by TSA in Nashville, TSA denies

    Quote Originally Posted by Gill View Post
    I think he must have implanted it into his knee.
    Shin-bomb...almost like shiskabob. All the rage in Syria.
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    Re: Rand Paul detained by TSA

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    1. Frangible ammo that won't penetrate the fuselage.

    2. Assumption that armed citizens are utter idiots who'd spray bullets around a crowded plane at random? No evidence that this assertion is correct. Existing stats indicate that lawfully armed citizens have an extremely low rate of arrest, or revokation of permit, or shooting the wrong person.
    Not on airplanes.

    Yeah, a bunch of nervous guys with guns afraid that every brown-skinned foreigner is a terrorist is a bad idea.
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    Re: Rand Paul detained by TSA

    Quote Originally Posted by Bob Blaylock View Post
    Well, yes, I suppose that's true, but it assumes that a terrorist can reliably be identified as such before he actually attempts to board an aircraft with the intent of using it to commit an act of terrorism. How well has the TSA performed this feat? It seems to me that the TSA has done an excellent job of protecting us against acts of terrorism committed by 3-year-old girls, 95-year-old women, and now, one of our own Senators.
    Has there been a successful attack since TSA took over?

    As for searching kids and old ladies, this is why the TSA is in charge and not you. The terrorists know we're looking for brown bearded guys in turbans. A terrorist could easily hide a bomb in a kid's teddy bear without the kid knowing it (there have been intelligence indicating terrorists were considering that, in fact) or hide it in an old ladies' luggage. Or recruit an old lady. Or disguise themselves as an old lady, complete with plastic surgery (who cares what you look like if you're going on a suicide mission?)

    As often as they keep on crying “Wolf!”, do you suppose that, in the event that they actually catch a genuine terrorist, anyone will be foolish enough to believe them?
    Uh, yeah, when they're holding the guy in handcuffs, I'll believe they caught him. Won't you?

    And do you understand the principle of deterrence?

    You can argue that TSA has gone overboard. But now you're starting to question security itself. Nobody thinks there should be no security. So this is just about what level is appropriate.
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    It would seem to me they could find better ways of doing this. TSA searches have be come a common joke among comedians because of how intrusive they are.
    We already have Air Marshall's.
    There are systems that can "smell" for bombs.
    There a hand held scanners.
    There are walk through exray machines.

    Not to mention their purposely not profiling to be pc. I remember coming back from Germany less than a month after 9/11 and a man that fit the profile of the attackers walks right through while they spend 20 minutes searching an 80 year old woman in a wheel chair.

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    Re: Kentucky Senator Rand Paul (R) Detained by TSA.

    Quote Originally Posted by Paratrooper View Post
    Not to mention their purposely not profiling to be pc. I remember coming back from Germany less than a month after 9/11 and a man that fit the profile of the attackers walks right through while they spend 20 minutes searching an 80 year old woman in a wheel chair.
    No, the purpose of not profiling is because people like you are fooled easily.

    A terrorist knows he fits the profile. A smart one will pretend to an old lady in a wheelchair, or hide a bomb in her chair, or whatever.
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