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    Re: South Carolina's Attorney General detects voter fraud during primaries

    Quote Originally Posted by tomfoo13ry
    Yes, I gave one example, which is all that is needed to destroy an absolute statement like the one to which I originally responded.
    When you throw out a generic statement like this...
    Quote Originally Posted by tomfoo13ry
    That makes me wonder why in 2006 the election for the state senator from my district was voided because dead people were casting votes.
    ...don't be surprised that it may be challenged.

    Quote Originally Posted by tomfoo13ry
    Ophelia Ford, Memphis, TN District 29. The TN Senate voided the election after an investigation found that dead people were casting votes in an election that was decided by a mere 13 votes. Indictments and convictions followed. Now, do your bit of research and tell me that I'm wrong.
    As AdamT has already stated that was fraud committed by poll workers. Voter ID nor any of the other 'reforms' Republicans have passed or proposed would have prevented this.

    Information on this incident is sketchy, because the authorities won't release all the details, but the 3 poll workers made a plea deal in which they faked 3 votes, 2 cast in the names of the dead.

    For the record, I think they got off too lightly. IMO they should have had to serve time, fined more heavily and had their voter right permanently revoked.
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    Re: South Carolina's Attorney General detects voter fraud during primaries

    Quote Originally Posted by BWG View Post
    When you throw out a generic statement like this...

    ...don't be surprised that it may be challenged.
    I wasn't surprised in the least. I threw it out there knowing that someone would try and call me on it since there seems to be a prevailing attitude that election fraud doesn't happen. That way people have no choice but to take note instead of simply ignoring the relevant facts. I mean, just look at the way you tried calling me on it. You seemed quite sure that I was full of BS and you were ready to pounce, now you know different.


    Quote Originally Posted by BWG View Post
    As AdamT has already stated that was fraud committed by poll workers. Voter ID nor any of the other 'reforms' Republicans have passed or proposed would have prevented this.

    Information on this incident is sketchy, because the authorities won't release all the details, but the 3 poll workers made a plea deal in which they faked 3 votes, 2 cast in the names of the dead.

    For the record, I think they got off too lightly. IMO they should have had to serve time, fined more heavily and had their voter right permanently revoked.
    And as I responded to AdamT, I never once mentioned anything about voter IDs. Is there a prize on this forum for whoever can throw out the most strawmen?

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    Re: South Carolina's Attorney General detects voter fraud during primaries

    OH MY GOD, Voter fraud in a GOP caucus who'd a thought this could ever happen.

    Now I know the end of the World is nigh in this year of our Lord (Obama) 2012!

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    Re: South Carolina's Attorney General detects voter fraud during primaries

    Quote Originally Posted by tomfoo13ry View Post
    Yes, I gave one example, which is all that is needed to destroy an absolute statement like the one to which I originally responded.


    Ophelia Ford, Memphis, TN District 29. The TN Senate voided the election after an investigation found that dead people were casting votes in an election that was decided by a mere 13 votes. Indictments and convictions followed. Now, do your bit of research and tell me that I'm wrong.
    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    Yes, that's a real case. The fraud was committed by poll workers. A photo ID law would not have prevented it, but it would have prevented a significant number of legitimate voters from casting their ballots.
    IOW, it was NOT "voter fraud"; It was ELECTORAL FRAUD
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    Re: South Carolina's Attorney General detects voter fraud during primaries

    Quote Originally Posted by tomfoo13ry
    I wasn't surprised in the least. I threw it out there knowing that someone would try and call me on it since there seems to be a prevailing attitude that election fraud doesn't happen.
    Speaking of strawman...no one is claiming that election fraud doesn't happen.
    Quote Originally Posted by tomfoo13ry
    I mean, just look at the way you tried calling me on it. You seemed quite sure that I was full of BS and you were ready to pounce, now you know different.
    I wasn't calling you on it or sure you were full of BS or ready to pounce. You make the claim, be prepared to back it up. I prefer to read the facts rather than rely on an anonymous poster's generic claim of fraud in light of so many claims of fraud that turn out to be nothing of the sort. In fact the headline of the article said "South Carolina's Attorney General detects voter fraud", then the first line says "potential". So it's perfectly reasonable for one to be skeptical.

    Quote Originally Posted by tomfoo13ry
    And as I responded to AdamT, I never once mentioned anything about voter IDs. Is there a prize on this forum for whoever can throw out the most strawmen?
    Yet another stawman. I never said that YOU mentioned voter ID. If you read the article in the OP, it said "The analysis came out of research for the state's new voter identification law," so naturally, discussion of voter ID and pointing out that your example would not have been prevented by voter ID law would be on topic.
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    Re: South Carolina's Attorney General detects voter fraud during primaries

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    I'm not being sarcastic. I don't care if it reduces voter participation. I person should have to identify themselves satisfactorily in order to vote. Period.
    That helps explain your position.
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    Re: South Carolina's Attorney General detects voter fraud during primaries

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    IOW, it was NOT "voter fraud"; It was ELECTORAL FRAUD
    If you look at my very first post in this thread you'll see that I referred to it as ELECTORAL FRAUD...so what is your point?

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    Re: South Carolina's Attorney General detects voter fraud during primaries

    Quote Originally Posted by BWG View Post
    Speaking of strawman...no one is claiming that election fraud doesn't happen.
    That was a bit of hyperbole on my part. The original statement that I responded to asserted that electoral fraud doesn't effect elections and implied that it isn't a problem. I disagree.

    Quote Originally Posted by BWG View Post
    I wasn't calling you on it or sure you were full of BS or ready to pounce. You make the claim, be prepared to back it up. I prefer to read the facts rather than rely on an anonymous poster's generic claim of fraud in light of so many claims of fraud that turn out to be nothing of the sort. In fact the headline of the article said "South Carolina's Attorney General detects voter fraud", then the first line says "potential". So it's perfectly reasonable for one to be skeptical.
    Maybe I was mistaken in that claim about you being ready to pounce but I don't think so. If you thought that even one election had been effected by fraud then there would be no point in asking for me to back up my statement because it would be a moot point.


    Quote Originally Posted by BWG View Post
    Yet another stawman. I never said that YOU mentioned voter ID. If you read the article in the OP, it said "The analysis came out of research for the state's new voter identification law," so naturally, discussion of voter ID and pointing out that your example would not have been prevented by voter ID law would be on topic.
    My point that you pounced on had nothing to do with voter ID so, yes, it was a strawman on your part. My comment was in direct response to ONE statement made by another poster and then you and a couple of other posters decided to read a whole lot more into it.

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    Re: South Carolina's Attorney General detects voter fraud during primaries

    Quote Originally Posted by tomfoo13ry View Post
    Yes, I gave one example, which is all that is needed to destroy an absolute statement like the one to which I originally responded.


    Ophelia Ford, Memphis, TN District 29. The TN Senate voided the election after an investigation found that dead people were casting votes in an election that was decided by a mere 13 votes. Indictments and convictions followed. Now, do your bit of research and tell me that I'm wrong.
    And thank you - I did my research - and the fraud came from POLL WORKERS - not illegal voters.

    That is my point. Voter ID wouldn't have stopped poll workers from creating fraudulent votes.

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    Re: South Carolina's Attorney General detects voter fraud during primaries

    Quote Originally Posted by FilmFestGuy View Post
    And thank you - I did my research - and the fraud came from POLL WORKERS - not illegal voters.

    That is my point. Voter ID wouldn't have stopped poll workers from creating fraudulent votes.

    How disappointing this will be for those that hoped it would be a good excuse to disenfranchise poor voters!
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