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US Attorney in Arizona pleads 5th in Furious testimony

Federal Official In Arizona To Plead The Fifth And Not Answer Questions On 'furious' | Fox News

When only the best will do...

Cunningham is represented by Tobin Romero of Williams and Connolly who is a specialist in white collar crime.

I am writing to advise you that my client is going to assert his constitutional privilege not to be compelled to be a witness against himself." Romero told Issa.

After seeing this photo I completely understand why liberal supporters think Obama, Patrick J. Cunningham, and Eric Holder had no clue about the Fast and Furious Operation. :lamo

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easy answer to this
give him immunity from prosecution based on the information he provides
motivate him to tell all

then sit back and have DOJ explain exactly what it was that he communicated, which information was passed to the committee and then was found to be non-factual
then go after the DOJ liar. either cunningham or another high up DOJ official

Or, they could get all the info needed, without him, and send his ass to prison along with the rest of them.

Yeah! I like that scenario.
 
No, since it is merely your opinion... one that I don't think a informed, rational person would adopt. I therefore have little or no interest in it.

I would ask, however, if you're aware that the'gun running' sting has been in operation since about 2005?

Karl it's been explained to you in great detail the huge difference between Fast & Furious and Wide Reciever:

I can only handle this much stupid in small bits because its so wrong headed its touch to sort out.

The differences between Wide Reciever and Fast and Furious are as follows: Wide Reciever was done with full cooperation and support of the Mexican government and its scope was very limited and interdiction of the arms was capable in all aspects of the operation. Meaning they could go after the guns at every step due to Mexican government cooperation and support. Fast & Furious did neither of these and the distribution was both larger and less controlled. Tracking of the guns was lost after 1 or 2 steps of the process. While Holder did not try to equate the two because to do so is rediculous, you did--Holder does not share your viewpoint. Meaning ---they are not equateable. BDS, pure and simple.

Lastly, the racial thing? If the guy in the DOJ were white and the President in the matter were white, I think things would be moving faster in this ivestigation, not slower.

BTW I find your comments calling Brian Terry's grieving family "racist" disgusting.
 
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Or, they could get all the info needed, without him, and send his ass to prison along with the rest of them.

Yeah! I like that scenario.
no doubt. but as usual, the scenario you prefer makes no sense
the DOJ in DC insists that the assistant AG in the field has misrepresented the facts
the assistant AG in the field believes the DOJ washington folks are looking to scape goat him for their untruthful submissions to the congressional inquiry
so, we have two offices of DOJ whose positions do not reconcile
to prove one wrong it is likely that the other must be found to be telling the truth
that will be difficult to establish without offering immunity to the assistant AG in the field - who is now standing on his rights against self incrimination

but you insist such immunity is not needed. that the congress can determine who is truthful without offering such incentive to tell all. tell us how the congress will be able to gather the information needed to make the right call without offering immunity
 
but you insist such immunity is not needed. that the congress can determine who is truthful without offering such incentive to tell all. tell us how the congress will be able to gather the information needed to make the right call without offering immunity

They cant if Holder and DOJ keep ignoring subpeoneas, with holding information, and witnesses refuse to testify. Hard to get at the truth when DOJ isnt complying with oversight.
 
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[...] After seeing this photo I completely understand why liberal supporters think Obama, Patrick J. Cunningham, and Eric Holder had no clue about the Fast and Furious Operation. :lamo

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I suspect that you don't know what your photo is. Since you did not provide a link to it, that would indicate at the very least that you don't want anyone else to know what it is.
 
Or, they could get all the info needed, without him, and send his ass to prison along with the rest of them. Yeah! I like that scenario.
Would there be a trial in that scenario? One with, like, a jury?
 
Holder is not paid to be able to pin the blame on an underling, much less let the underling take the fall. Holder is not paid to maintain plausable deniabiltiy for his office while the rest of his organization is as ****.

Sorry libs, but Holder is the most guilty here. He goes out on his ass.

If he is there after the GOP has a nominee, we are gonna shove Holder down Obama's throat. May they both choke to death, the scumbags.

The investigation into Holder is going to be stonewalled as much as possible to limit damage to Obama before the election. This looks like the classic "cover up is bigger the bigger crime" scenario.
 
easy answer to this
give him immunity from prosecution based on the information he provides
motivate him to tell all

then sit back and have DOJ explain exactly what it was that he communicated, which information was passed to the committee and then was found to be non-factual
then go after the DOJ liar. either cunningham or another high up DOJ official

But Holder should stay?

j-mac

not if he is the higher up official who misrepresented the facts to the committee
if that was found to be him he should be fired, and possibly prosecuted for perjury before the congressional committee
but i would prefer to act on facts

At this point, it just doesn't matter if Holder did anything wrong or not. The DoJ is so dirty on this, especially in light of this latest development, that it's time for the Attorney General to fall on his own sword.

When you're the highest-ranking law enforcement officer in the nation, you need to be above reproach in order to do your job right.
 
At this point, it just doesn't matter if Holder did anything wrong or not. [....]When you're the highest-ranking law enforcement officer in the nation, you need to be above reproach in order to do your job right.
So, Holder should resign even if he's done nothing wrong, because since Republicans don't like him -- or don't like the president -- he can't do his job right?
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The DoJ is so dirty on this, [....]
Dirty how? (facts please)

[...] in light of this latest development, [...]
What development? A man taking the 5th because a partisan Congressman is trying to use him as a pawn to net larger fish?
 
So, Holder should resign even if he's done nothing wrong, because since Republicans don't like him -- or don't like the president -- he can't do his job right?
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That's not what I said at all, and there's no reasonable interpretation of what I said which would lead you to that conclusion.

Dirty how? (facts please)

I'm going off what I saw in links provided in the OP. My characterization is reasonable in light of the fact that a US Attorney is claiming the 5th with respect to DoJ activities. That's on top of the allegations being voiced by the guy's lawyer.
 
At this point, it just doesn't matter if Holder did anything wrong or not. The DoJ is so dirty on this, especially in light of this latest development, that it's time for the Attorney General to fall on his own sword.

When you're the highest-ranking law enforcement officer in the nation, you need to be above reproach in order to do your job right.
So, Holder should resign even if he's done nothing wrong, because since Republicans don't like him -- or don't like the president -- he can't do his job right?
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That's not what I said at all, and there's no reasonable interpretation of what I said which would lead you to that conclusion. [...]
Looks fairly reasonable to me.

But at the very least, Holder should resign even if he's done nothing wrong, correct?
 
So, Holder should resign even if he's done nothing wrong, because since Republicans don't like him -- or don't like the president -- he can't do his job right?
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Dirty how? (facts please)


What development? A man taking the 5th because a partisan Congressman is trying to use him as a pawn to net larger fish?


Point 1, Holder should resign because hes either complicit in knowing exactly what happened in the operation or hes so incompetent that he didnt know what was going on. In either event hes proving to be incompetent at his job and for that he definitely should resign.

Point 2, Dirty in that the DOJ is both complicit in the operations and stonewalling fact finding that it is required by law to comply in. Dirty in that they undertook or instructed an operation in which interdiction of the weapons in question was near impossible and served to proliferate gun smuggling and illegal movement of guns over the US Mexican border and facilitated their use in illgal activity---kidnapping, drug running, illegal border crossings, coyote operations, and smuggling of all sorts. They facilitated this. Thats the opposite of their mission.

Point 3, Partisan or not, the man has a duty to comply or resign from DoJ. The man in question knows how high up the chain this goes and is pleading the 5th to prevent higher ups from taking the heat or he is afraid for prosecution himself. If the latter, Issa will probably offer immunity for truthful testimony. If the former, I predict hes going to cited for contempt of congress. The more people find out about this, the less people like government's role in it; aside from hard leftists like yourself who twist yourself into logical pretzels to excuse the current administration.

Play stupid with your posts somewhere else, you know the facts in question, you are just too partisan to give a damn.
 
Point 1, Holder should resign because hes either complicit in knowing exactly what happened in the operation or hes so incompetent that he didnt know what was going on. In either event hes proving to be incompetent at his job and for that he definitely should resign.

Point 2, Dirty in that the DOJ is both complicit in the operations and stonewalling fact finding that it is required by law to comply in. Dirty in that they undertook or instructed an operation in which interdiction of the weapons in question was near impossible and served to proliferate gun smuggling and illegal movement of guns over the US Mexican border and facilitated their use in illgal activity---kidnapping, drug running, illegal border crossings, coyote operations, and smuggling of all sorts. They facilitated this. Thats the opposite of their mission.

Point 3, Partisan or not, the man has a duty to comply or resign from DoJ. The man in question knows how high up the chain this goes and is pleading the 5th to prevent higher ups from taking the heat or he is afraid for prosecution himself. If the latter, Issa will probably offer immunity for truthful testimony. If the former, I predict hes going to cited for contempt of congress. The more people find out about this, the less people like government's role in it; aside from hard leftists like yourself who twist yourself into logical pretzels to excuse the current administration.

Play stupid with your posts somewhere else, you know the facts in question, you are just too partisan to give a damn.

by that logic reagan should have resigned.
 
Why, what did Reagan do? Did he arm criminal cartels?


iran contra. and by the post i responded to, reagan should have resigned for that, because he was too incompetent to know what his people were doing.
 
What do you feel Holder's responsibilty in Fast and Furious is? What remedy or solution to feel applies to him?
 
Point 1, Holder should resign because hes either complicit in knowing exactly what happened in the operation or hes so incompetent that he didnt know what was going on. In either event hes proving to be incompetent at his job and for that he definitely should resign.

Point 2, Dirty in that the DOJ is both complicit in the operations and stonewalling fact finding that it is required by law to comply in. Dirty in that they undertook or instructed an operation in which interdiction of the weapons in question was near impossible and served to proliferate gun smuggling and illegal movement of guns over the US Mexican border and facilitated their use in illgal activity---kidnapping, drug running, illegal border crossings, coyote operations, and smuggling of all sorts. They facilitated this. Thats the opposite of their mission.

Point 3, Partisan or not, the man has a duty to comply or resign from DoJ. The man in question knows how high up the chain this goes and is pleading the 5th to prevent higher ups from taking the heat or he is afraid for prosecution himself. If the latter, Issa will probably offer immunity for truthful testimony. If the former, I predict hes going to cited for contempt of congress. The more people find out about this, the less people like government's role in it; aside from hard leftists like yourself who twist yourself into logical pretzels to excuse the current administration.

[4] Play stupid with your posts somewhere else, you know the facts in question, you are just too partisan to give a damn.
1. You have failed to present any argument that a lack of knowledge on Holder's part of the gunwalking = incompetence, especially in a department (DOJ) that employs 112,000 people. While it may be your opinion that such is the case, a lack of argument supporting that opinion would seem to make it an uninformed opinion, which is kinda like an asshole -- widespread, and often smelly.

2. You have failed to present any argument that the DOJ is "stonewalling". That they have not turned over every scrap of paper that Issa has asked for is not evidence of stonewalling. As to the operation, that was clearly some type of sting that clearly was not handled or implemented well -- unless you have evidence of intent to perpetrate a crime, you have no 'dirt'... you have a bungled op.

3. This is simply stupid. You might have a point on the top man resigning if we all lived in Japan, and if this happened in Japan. We don't, and it didn't.

4. Again, you present no argument. Just opinion and insults at those who refuse to swallow the Kool Aid. Seems to be a pattern . . . . .
 
What do you feel Holder's responsibilty in Fast and Furious is? What remedy or solution to feel applies to him?
What do you feel Reagan's responsibility in Iran-Contra was? Shouldn't he, according to your yardstick, have resigned? Half a dozen senior officials, including a couple of Cabinet Secretaries, were indicted or convicted.
 
I suspect that you don't know what your photo is. Since you did not provide a link to it, that would indicate at the very least that you don't want anyone else to know what it is.

Your intellectual vacuity continues to amuse me. I'll gladly explain it; here's how it works. Google Fast and Furious Operation firearms photos and they magically appear! on multiple websites no less!

See how easy that is!

Now you try it!


Still think Obama and Holder knew nothing about Operation Fast and Furious?

 
What do you feel Reagan's responsibility in Iran-Contra was? Shouldn't he, according to your yardstick, have resigned? Half a dozen senior officials, including a couple of Cabinet Secretaries, were indicted or convicted.

Please post a link to an American Border Patrol Agent being killed due to Iran Contra.
 
1. You have failed to present any argument that a lack of knowledge on Holder's part of the gunwalking = incompetence, especially in a department (DOJ) that employs 112,000 people. While it may be your opinion that such is the case, a lack of argument supporting that opinion would seem to make it an uninformed opinion, which is kinda like an asshole -- widespread, and often smelly.
Lack of proof at this time is not conclusive proof forever. Thats why getting all the information is important. Im entitled to my own opinion and your response is uncalled for.

2. You have failed to present any argument that the DOJ is "stonewalling". That they have not turned over every scrap of paper that Issa has asked for is not evidence of stonewalling. As to the operation, that was clearly some type of sting that clearly was not handled or implemented well -- unless you have evidence of intent to perpetrate a crime, you have no 'dirt'... you have a bungled op.
Its not stonewalling? Then what is it? Looks like refusal to accept congressional oversight. ALL of Holder's emails should be on the congressional oversight desk. But they aren't.

3. This is simply stupid. You might have a point on the top man resigning if we all lived in Japan, and if this happened in Japan. We don't, and it didn't.
The man in question is the guy that took the 5th, not Holder, maybe you were unclear on that. If a member of a federal agency refuses to comply with governmental oversight over their agency, they shouldnt have a job with that agency.

4. Again, you present no argument. Just opinion and insults at those who refuse to swallow the Kool Aid. Seems to be a pattern . . . . .

So who IS responsible for GunWalker? Whose head rolls? Because the results of the operation were gun proliferation, not interdiction. It would appear that agent(s) in charge of the operation bungled it pretty badly. So who then holds the bag?

Regarding Reagan, I honestly believe he should have been brought under impeachment proceedings. I dont feel they would have been successful and Democrats perhaps knew this as they had cause to move onto them after the various investigations. As usual with government the coverup usually shows you who is really responsible.
 
Looks fairly reasonable to me.

Then you're having trouble with your reading comprehension.

But at the very least, Holder should resign even if he's done nothing wrong, correct?

Unless some additional details -- the kind that would shine a whole other light on the situation -- are revealed, then yes he absolutely should resign even if he's done nothing wrong. He's the man in charge of Federal law enforcement, and the responsibility for a mess of this magnitude is ultimately his. When you hold a position of that level of responsibility, even the appearance of wrongdoing by yourself or those beneath you damage your ability to do the job effectively.
 
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