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    Re: US Attorney in Arizona pleads 5th in Furious testimony

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    What do you feel Holder's responsibilty in Fast and Furious is? What remedy or solution to feel applies to him?
    What do you feel Reagan's responsibility in Iran-Contra was? Shouldn't he, according to your yardstick, have resigned? Half a dozen senior officials, including a couple of Cabinet Secretaries, were indicted or convicted.

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    Re: US Attorney in Arizona pleads 5th in Furious testimony

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    I suspect that you don't know what your photo is. Since you did not provide a link to it, that would indicate at the very least that you don't want anyone else to know what it is.
    Your intellectual vacuity continues to amuse me. I'll gladly explain it; here's how it works. Google Fast and Furious Operation firearms photos and they magically appear! on multiple websites no less!

    See how easy that is!

    Now you try it!


    Still think Obama and Holder knew nothing about Operation Fast and Furious?

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    Re: US Attorney in Arizona pleads 5th in Furious testimony

    Quote Originally Posted by Karl View Post
    What do you feel Reagan's responsibility in Iran-Contra was? Shouldn't he, according to your yardstick, have resigned? Half a dozen senior officials, including a couple of Cabinet Secretaries, were indicted or convicted.
    Please post a link to an American Border Patrol Agent being killed due to Iran Contra.
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    Re: US Attorney in Arizona pleads 5th in Furious testimony

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    1. You have failed to present any argument that a lack of knowledge on Holder's part of the gunwalking = incompetence, especially in a department (DOJ) that employs 112,000 people. While it may be your opinion that such is the case, a lack of argument supporting that opinion would seem to make it an uninformed opinion, which is kinda like an asshole -- widespread, and often smelly.
    Lack of proof at this time is not conclusive proof forever. Thats why getting all the information is important. Im entitled to my own opinion and your response is uncalled for.

    2. You have failed to present any argument that the DOJ is "stonewalling". That they have not turned over every scrap of paper that Issa has asked for is not evidence of stonewalling. As to the operation, that was clearly some type of sting that clearly was not handled or implemented well -- unless you have evidence of intent to perpetrate a crime, you have no 'dirt'... you have a bungled op.
    Its not stonewalling? Then what is it? Looks like refusal to accept congressional oversight. ALL of Holder's emails should be on the congressional oversight desk. But they aren't.

    3. This is simply stupid. You might have a point on the top man resigning if we all lived in Japan, and if this happened in Japan. We don't, and it didn't.
    The man in question is the guy that took the 5th, not Holder, maybe you were unclear on that. If a member of a federal agency refuses to comply with governmental oversight over their agency, they shouldnt have a job with that agency.

    4. Again, you present no argument. Just opinion and insults at those who refuse to swallow the Kool Aid. Seems to be a pattern . . . . .
    So who IS responsible for GunWalker? Whose head rolls? Because the results of the operation were gun proliferation, not interdiction. It would appear that agent(s) in charge of the operation bungled it pretty badly. So who then holds the bag?

    Regarding Reagan, I honestly believe he should have been brought under impeachment proceedings. I dont feel they would have been successful and Democrats perhaps knew this as they had cause to move onto them after the various investigations. As usual with government the coverup usually shows you who is really responsible.

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    Re: US Attorney in Arizona pleads 5th in Furious testimony

    Quote Originally Posted by Karl View Post
    Looks fairly reasonable to me.
    Then you're having trouble with your reading comprehension.

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    But at the very least, Holder should resign even if he's done nothing wrong, correct?
    Unless some additional details -- the kind that would shine a whole other light on the situation -- are revealed, then yes he absolutely should resign even if he's done nothing wrong. He's the man in charge of Federal law enforcement, and the responsibility for a mess of this magnitude is ultimately his. When you hold a position of that level of responsibility, even the appearance of wrongdoing by yourself or those beneath you damage your ability to do the job effectively.
    I'm already gearing up for Finger Vote 2014.

    Just for reference, means my post was a giant steaming pile of sarcasm.

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    Re: US Attorney in Arizona pleads 5th in Furious testimony

    Quote Originally Posted by Karl View Post
    1. You have failed to present any argument that a lack of knowledge on Holder's part of the gunwalking = incompetence, especially in a department (DOJ) that employs 112,000 people. While it may be your opinion that such is the case, a lack of argument supporting that opinion would seem to make it an uninformed opinion, which is kinda like an asshole -- widespread, and often smelly.
    The size of the DoJ is not a valid defense of Holder, because an operation of this magnitude is something he should have been fully aware of from day 1. If he missed it, either he is grossly incompetent or he is unable to control his department, and either case he should resign.
    I'm already gearing up for Finger Vote 2014.

    Just for reference, means my post was a giant steaming pile of sarcasm.

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    Re: US Attorney in Arizona pleads 5th in Furious testimony

    Quote Originally Posted by Μολὼν λαβέ View Post
    Your intellectual vacuity continues to amuse me. I'll gladly explain it; here's how it works. Google Fast and Furious Operation firearms photos and they magically appear! on multiple websites no less! See how easy that is! Now you try it!
    Wow. A much more gullible reply than I anticipated. But in any case, I tried it, and found that:



    Aliens really do exist! (at least according to your detective skills)

    But your photo is of the Mexican Navy. I'm sorry that you were suckered by the internuts (well, not really.... ).

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    Re: US Attorney in Arizona pleads 5th in Furious testimony

    Quote Originally Posted by OpportunityCost, replying to Karl View Post
    So who IS responsible for GunWalker? Whose head rolls?
    If by "GunWalker" you mean Fast and Furious, it appears -- from what little I've read on the subject -- that key figures for responsibility and head rolling will be U.S. Attorney for the District of Arizona Dennis K. Burke (who apparently approved the legality of the operation) and ATF Phoenix Group 7 Supervisor David Voth (who persisted in running the program after local agents complained about letting the guns walk), and possibly ATF Phoenix Group 7 Case Agent Hope McAllister (same reason as Voth).

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    Re: US Attorney in Arizona pleads 5th in Furious testimony

    Quote Originally Posted by Karl View Post
    If by "GunWalker" you mean Fast and Furious, it appears -- from what little I've read on the subject -- that key figures for responsibility and head rolling will be U.S. Attorney for the District of Arizona Dennis K. Burke (who apparently approved the legality of the operation) and ATF Phoenix Group 7 Supervisor David Voth (who persisted in running the program after local agents complained about letting the guns walk), and possibly ATF Phoenix Group 7 Case Agent Hope McAllister (same reason as Voth).

    Plenty of 'fall guys' to cover for the liar AG Holder....How sad this whole administration is.


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