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    Re: US Attorney in Arizona pleads 5th in Furious testimony

    Quote Originally Posted by Karl View Post
    So, Holder should resign even if he's done nothing wrong, because since Republicans don't like him -- or don't like the president -- he can't do his job right?
    That's not what I said at all, and there's no reasonable interpretation of what I said which would lead you to that conclusion.

    Quote Originally Posted by Karl View Post
    Dirty how? (facts please)
    I'm going off what I saw in links provided in the OP. My characterization is reasonable in light of the fact that a US Attorney is claiming the 5th with respect to DoJ activities. That's on top of the allegations being voiced by the guy's lawyer.
    I'm already gearing up for Finger Vote 2014.

    Just for reference, means my post was a giant steaming pile of sarcasm.

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    Re: US Attorney in Arizona pleads 5th in Furious testimony

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    At this point, it just doesn't matter if Holder did anything wrong or not. The DoJ is so dirty on this, especially in light of this latest development, that it's time for the Attorney General to fall on his own sword.

    When you're the highest-ranking law enforcement officer in the nation, you need to be above reproach in order to do your job right.
    So, Holder should resign even if he's done nothing wrong, because since Republicans don't like him -- or don't like the president -- he can't do his job right? [...]
    That's not what I said at all, and there's no reasonable interpretation of what I said which would lead you to that conclusion. [...]
    Looks fairly reasonable to me.

    But at the very least, Holder should resign even if he's done nothing wrong, correct?

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    Re: US Attorney in Arizona pleads 5th in Furious testimony

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    So, Holder should resign even if he's done nothing wrong, because since Republicans don't like him -- or don't like the president -- he can't do his job right?


    Dirty how? (facts please)


    What development? A man taking the 5th because a partisan Congressman is trying to use him as a pawn to net larger fish?

    Point 1, Holder should resign because hes either complicit in knowing exactly what happened in the operation or hes so incompetent that he didnt know what was going on. In either event hes proving to be incompetent at his job and for that he definitely should resign.

    Point 2, Dirty in that the DOJ is both complicit in the operations and stonewalling fact finding that it is required by law to comply in. Dirty in that they undertook or instructed an operation in which interdiction of the weapons in question was near impossible and served to proliferate gun smuggling and illegal movement of guns over the US Mexican border and facilitated their use in illgal activity---kidnapping, drug running, illegal border crossings, coyote operations, and smuggling of all sorts. They facilitated this. Thats the opposite of their mission.

    Point 3, Partisan or not, the man has a duty to comply or resign from DoJ. The man in question knows how high up the chain this goes and is pleading the 5th to prevent higher ups from taking the heat or he is afraid for prosecution himself. If the latter, Issa will probably offer immunity for truthful testimony. If the former, I predict hes going to cited for contempt of congress. The more people find out about this, the less people like government's role in it; aside from hard leftists like yourself who twist yourself into logical pretzels to excuse the current administration.

    Play stupid with your posts somewhere else, you know the facts in question, you are just too partisan to give a damn.

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    Re: US Attorney in Arizona pleads 5th in Furious testimony

    Quote Originally Posted by OpportunityCost View Post
    Point 1, Holder should resign because hes either complicit in knowing exactly what happened in the operation or hes so incompetent that he didnt know what was going on. In either event hes proving to be incompetent at his job and for that he definitely should resign.

    Point 2, Dirty in that the DOJ is both complicit in the operations and stonewalling fact finding that it is required by law to comply in. Dirty in that they undertook or instructed an operation in which interdiction of the weapons in question was near impossible and served to proliferate gun smuggling and illegal movement of guns over the US Mexican border and facilitated their use in illgal activity---kidnapping, drug running, illegal border crossings, coyote operations, and smuggling of all sorts. They facilitated this. Thats the opposite of their mission.

    Point 3, Partisan or not, the man has a duty to comply or resign from DoJ. The man in question knows how high up the chain this goes and is pleading the 5th to prevent higher ups from taking the heat or he is afraid for prosecution himself. If the latter, Issa will probably offer immunity for truthful testimony. If the former, I predict hes going to cited for contempt of congress. The more people find out about this, the less people like government's role in it; aside from hard leftists like yourself who twist yourself into logical pretzels to excuse the current administration.

    Play stupid with your posts somewhere else, you know the facts in question, you are just too partisan to give a damn.
    by that logic reagan should have resigned.

    Originally Posted by johnny_rebson:

    These are the same liberals who forgot how Iraq attacked us on 9/11.


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    Re: US Attorney in Arizona pleads 5th in Furious testimony

    Quote Originally Posted by liblady View Post
    by that logic reagan should have resigned.
    What accountability do you have for Holder? Ill ask you directly.

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    Re: US Attorney in Arizona pleads 5th in Furious testimony

    Quote Originally Posted by liblady View Post
    by that logic reagan should have resigned.
    Why, what did Reagan do? Did he arm criminal cartels?

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    Re: US Attorney in Arizona pleads 5th in Furious testimony

    Quote Originally Posted by Sparky View Post
    Why, what did Reagan do? Did he arm criminal cartels?

    iran contra. and by the post i responded to, reagan should have resigned for that, because he was too incompetent to know what his people were doing.

    Originally Posted by johnny_rebson:

    These are the same liberals who forgot how Iraq attacked us on 9/11.


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    Re: US Attorney in Arizona pleads 5th in Furious testimony

    What do you feel Holder's responsibilty in Fast and Furious is? What remedy or solution to feel applies to him?

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    Re: US Attorney in Arizona pleads 5th in Furious testimony

    Quote Originally Posted by OpportunityCost View Post
    What do you feel Holder's responsibilty in Fast and Furious is? What remedy or solution to feel applies to him?
    i don't know, i have not researched it yet.

    Originally Posted by johnny_rebson:

    These are the same liberals who forgot how Iraq attacked us on 9/11.


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    Re: US Attorney in Arizona pleads 5th in Furious testimony

    Quote Originally Posted by OpportunityCost, replying to Karl View Post
    Point 1, Holder should resign because hes either complicit in knowing exactly what happened in the operation or hes so incompetent that he didnt know what was going on. In either event hes proving to be incompetent at his job and for that he definitely should resign.

    Point 2, Dirty in that the DOJ is both complicit in the operations and stonewalling fact finding that it is required by law to comply in. Dirty in that they undertook or instructed an operation in which interdiction of the weapons in question was near impossible and served to proliferate gun smuggling and illegal movement of guns over the US Mexican border and facilitated their use in illgal activity---kidnapping, drug running, illegal border crossings, coyote operations, and smuggling of all sorts. They facilitated this. Thats the opposite of their mission.

    Point 3, Partisan or not, the man has a duty to comply or resign from DoJ. The man in question knows how high up the chain this goes and is pleading the 5th to prevent higher ups from taking the heat or he is afraid for prosecution himself. If the latter, Issa will probably offer immunity for truthful testimony. If the former, I predict hes going to cited for contempt of congress. The more people find out about this, the less people like government's role in it; aside from hard leftists like yourself who twist yourself into logical pretzels to excuse the current administration.

    [4] Play stupid with your posts somewhere else, you know the facts in question, you are just too partisan to give a damn.
    1. You have failed to present any argument that a lack of knowledge on Holder's part of the gunwalking = incompetence, especially in a department (DOJ) that employs 112,000 people. While it may be your opinion that such is the case, a lack of argument supporting that opinion would seem to make it an uninformed opinion, which is kinda like an asshole -- widespread, and often smelly.

    2. You have failed to present any argument that the DOJ is "stonewalling". That they have not turned over every scrap of paper that Issa has asked for is not evidence of stonewalling. As to the operation, that was clearly some type of sting that clearly was not handled or implemented well -- unless you have evidence of intent to perpetrate a crime, you have no 'dirt'... you have a bungled op.

    3. This is simply stupid. You might have a point on the top man resigning if we all lived in Japan, and if this happened in Japan. We don't, and it didn't.

    4. Again, you present no argument. Just opinion and insults at those who refuse to swallow the Kool Aid. Seems to be a pattern . . . . .

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