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Pagan mom challenges Bible giveaway at North Carolina school

Have you not read through this thread at all? Have you missed where the courts have ruled that this is completely legal as long as all are allowed to do the same?

I started the thread, if I remember right. And I did read something you posted from wikipedia about clubs led by students. Does that apply to this Bible thing? I don't think it does.

I hope at some point this will be cleared up by the courts. There is no way a religious group trying to spread its beliefs in a public school to other people's kids is right.
 
Um, no.

A parent controls a kid's choices.

Older kids may have more choices than younger ones, but overall, a school may not simply override a parent's choice about religious beliefs by saying it's the kid's choice. That would be an obvious violation of the establishment clause.

Not true... ask Christian Science parents who have lost the right to choose that their children will not receive medical care. Children are NOT property and DO have rights. Parents do NOT have the right to deny their children vaccines or prevent their children from attending school. Parental rights are limited to protect the rights of the child.

The school did not hand out Bibles, they were left there. If Qur'ans were left there? I would have no problem... Buddhist Sutras? No problem... My daughters are familiar with both Christianity and Buddhism (Mom is a Buddhist) and I try to educate my children about Islam (we have several Muslim friends from Indonesia here)
 
Bibles distributed to public school students?

People who wants their religion promoted in public schools, almost always Christians, should be careful what they hope for. You have to also allow witch's spell books and the Quran to be equally promoted.


Ginger Strivelli, who practices Witchcraft, a form of Paganism, said she was upset when her 12-year-old son [who did not wish to be photographed for this article] came home from North Windy Ridge intermediate school with a Bible.


Pagan Mom Challenges Bible Giveaway At North Carolina School | Fox News

She could really drive the point home with her son by making the bible sprout flowers and bees, then putting a curse on those that gave away the bibles.
 
This nation was founded on God. Its on our money. It's in our swear-in speeches. He's in the pledge said in every public school classroom in the United States. He's there. Period.

Congress shall make no law...respecting an establishment of religion. Period.

Citing minor violations of that doesn't change it.
 
Not true... ask Christian Science parents who have lost the right to choose that their children will not receive medical care.

But that's an actual dilemma. The state has a strong interest in protecting the health of children. That's not true for bibles.

Children are NOT property and DO have rights. Parents do NOT have the right to deny their children vaccines or prevent their children from attending school. Parental rights are limited to protect the rights of the child.

Children do not have the right to engage in religious practices that their parents disallow though. Medical care is not religion.

The school did not hand out Bibles, they were left there. If Qur'ans were left there? I would have no problem... Buddhist Sutras? No problem... My daughters are familiar with both Christianity and Buddhism (Mom is a Buddhist) and I try to educate my children about Islam (we have several Muslim friends from Indonesia here)

But you just said it doesn't matter what you think. The kids can take whatever they want. Why are you bragging about how you'd have no problem with it? Your kids have the right to defy you and read whatever religious texts they want, according to you. If they want to worship Satan and have blood orgies, you can't do a thing about it. Children have rights, like you said. Right?

Meanwhile, not everyone would have "no problem" and that's their right.
 
Have you not read through this thread at all? Have you missed where the courts have ruled that this is completely legal as long as all are allowed to do the same?

yes, I missed that. The case cited involved access to newsletters, etc.

I did see a case where bibles were forbidden from being distributed in schools.
 
yes, I missed that. The case cited involved access to newsletters, etc.

I did see a case where bibles were forbidden from being distributed in schools.

Depending on how they were distributed, I might agree.
 
I don't see the problem here. Kids should be educated on all different parts of society and culture. Whether people like it or not, Christianity is a large part of our culture, and culture around the world. Part of tolerance is understanding. Whether it be Christianity, Judaism, Muslim, ect., the schools should be helping kids to stay informed. This school made the bible available. To the best of my knowledge, they did not tell these kids they have to believe it, or to not believe anything else.
 
I don't see the problem here. Kids should be educated on all different parts of society and culture. Whether people like it or not, Christianity is a large part of our culture, and culture around the world. Part of tolerance is understanding. Whether it be Christianity, Judaism, Muslim, except Wiccan that **** doesn't count you are specifically barred from handing those books out ect., the schools should be helping kids to stay informed. This school made the bible available. To the best of my knowledge, they did not tell these kids they have to believe it, or to not believe anything else.

There I added something to make your post better fit what happened here.
 
I don't see the problem here. Kids should be educated on all different parts of society and culture. Whether people like it or not, Christianity is a large part of our culture, and culture around the world. Part of tolerance is understanding. Whether it be Christianity, Judaism, Muslim, ect., the schools should be helping kids to stay informed. This school made the bible available. To the best of my knowledge, they did not tell these kids they have to believe it, or to not believe anything else.

Please read the thread first.
 
I have met "modern" pagans. for the most part they look and act like they just finished up at the star trek convention. I almost bought a house from one 17 years ago. apparently the guy had served in Nam and had been an eye surgeon but developed some kind of minor neurological condition that prevented him from doing surgeries so he did consulting work from home and spent the rest of the time playing Pagan priest and having massive dungeon and dragon parties. sure enough he had star trek crap all over the house along with pagan parephanalia

I have met "modern" Christians. for the most part they look and act like they just had a broom handle shoved up their ass. I bought a house from one several years ago, apparently the guy never served in the military, was on disability due to weighing 450 lbs. used his welfare check to buy more twinkies and spent the rest of his time holding Bible study and praying to Jesus. sure enough jesus crap along with all that Christian paraphanalia.

Kinda sucks to have someone make fun of your chosen faith...Don't it.
 
I read the first couple pages, and the most recent couple pages. I didn't feel like reading 29 pages to give my opinion.

Then maybe you shouldn't give your opinion, because nobody feels like explaining 29 pages of a thread to you when you could just go read it yourself.
 
Then maybe you shouldn't give your opinion, because nobody feels like explaining 29 pages of a thread to you when you could just go read it yourself.

Or you could just ignore it. God knows I've ignored most of your posts in this thread since you've gone anti-bible bonkers.

Who are you to tell someone they can't give an opinion. High and mighty on yourself aren't you?
 
I read the first couple pages, and the most recent couple pages. I didn't feel like reading 29 pages to give my opinion.

Well.......your reply was concerning what the school should teach. The original story doesn't really deal with that. Most while not all do not seem to have a problem with a specific class on religion as long as it's simply a class on religion.

I'm not even of the belief that schools should "teach religion" as long as kid are not forced to accept it.
 
Then maybe you shouldn't give your opinion, because nobody feels like explaining 29 pages of a thread to you when you could just go read it yourself.

If you don't like me stating my opinion perhaps a forum isnt a good place for you to be hanging out. Am I mistaken or is people giving their opinion on things the primary function of a forum?
 
Or you could just ignore it. God knows I've ignored most of your posts in this thread since you've gone anti-bible bonkers.

See, that's why you shouldn't - you think I'm anti-Bible. I am no such thing.

Who are you to tell someone they can't give an opinion. High and mighty on yourself aren't you?

Didn't say anyone shouldn't give their opinion. Just saying an informed opinion is better. Don't you think? When you jump in the middle of a conversation you haven't followed, it's not productive. I make that mistake myself sometimes.
 
If you don't like me stating my opinion perhaps a forum isnt a good place for you to be hanging out. Am I mistaken or is people giving their opinion on things the primary function of a forum?

I think it's great that you state your opinion.

I think it would be better for YOU if you read the thread first, that's all. But you certainly aren't required to.
 
Nuff said, this is why I've ignored most of your posts.

You're still so profoundly ignorant that you actually think I'm "anti-bible" though. Maybe you should post less and read more. But that's just a suggestion.
 
You're still so profoundly ignorant that you actually think I'm "anti-bible" though. Maybe you should post less and read more. But that's just a suggestion.

I just showed where you just said something (just a page ago) you said you didn't say and you call me ignorant and tell ME to post less and read more? Classic.
 
I just showed where you just said something (just a page ago) you said you didn't say and you call me ignorant and tell ME to post less and read more? Classic.

So show me where I said I"m "anti-Bible".
 
So show me where I said I"m "anti-Bible".

I pointed out that you told someone they shouldn't give their opinion when you said you didn't. Not wanting the bible distributed in schools by students is anti-bible.
 
No, it's not, but if she did force him to throw it away then it shows the same closed minded bigotry of all other religion.

I must agree with you on that. If I ever have a kid? I will make sure they know about all world religions and alternative non-mainstream religions too. I feel these things should take place in the home and not in public schools.
 
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