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    Re: Pagan mom challenges Bible giveaway at North Carolina school

    Dayum. I guess I better hide who I am and what I believe and what path I walk. I might get tarred and feathered..with some redneck wanting to slap a star trek logo on my backside as they kick me to the fire burning stake.

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    Re: Pagan mom challenges Bible giveaway at North Carolina school

    Quote Originally Posted by tryreading View Post
    Bibles distributed to public school students?

    People who wants their religion promoted in public schools, almost always Christians, should be careful what they hope for. You have to also allow witch's spell books and the Quran to be equally promoted.


    Ginger Strivelli, who practices Witchcraft, a form of Paganism, said she was upset when her 12-year-old son [who did not wish to be photographed for this article] came home from North Windy Ridge intermediate school with a Bible.


    Pagan Mom Challenges Bible Giveaway At North Carolina School | Fox News
    Sigh. I can't believe people are still doing this nonsense.

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    Re: Pagan mom challenges Bible giveaway at North Carolina school

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    Being agnostic I often see both sides as being asses. If you don't believe in religion or Christianity, don't practice it but why do non believers get their panties in such a knot?
    You were a ConLaw professor. I think you can answer that question on your own.

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    Re: Pagan mom challenges Bible giveaway at North Carolina school

    Yet one more reason why my son has never attended public school.

    I have no problem with children coming to school with their own religious books so that they may continue their practices on campus.

    My problem is with schools arbitrarily endorsing local churches who drop off their crap - or worse, allow these strangers onto campus to proselytize to our children.

    Schools forget their place. They are guardians of my son in my absence. That doesn't give them license to selectively allow cult worshippers to spread the word when our children are just there to get an education. These churches and cults will take any opportunity they can to target children, because they are the most vulnerable to the non-sense that most adults will not fall for.

    Freedom of religion does not mean freedom from religion, but it does mean that the school should not be endorsing any one faith and indoctrinating children who are there to get their mandatory education. It's tantamount to brainwashing.

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    Re: Pagan mom challenges Bible giveaway at North Carolina school

    Quote Originally Posted by tryreading View Post
    Well, if his mother had sent him to a Christian church and he came home with a Bible, there wouldn't be a problem. But, from the story, the public school did this. Big problem.

    This shouldn't be minimized.
    The article says, "The Gideons International had delivered several boxes of the sacred books to the school office. The staff allowed interested students to stop by and pick them up.
    "Schools should not be giving out one religion's materials and not others," Strivelli said.

    Is allowing interested students to stop by the office to pick up materials if they are interested the same as distribution?

    Another question I have is which pagan spell books. The Bible (and the Qur'an) are universal texts. I'd really like to know which spell books Strivelli wished to distribute. One reason is that paganism is so eclectic. So is Wicca. Hived covens can be very small and have very particular beliefs--for examples, in fairies.

    Here's a link to Strivelli's bio page with links to her three sites. I'm not interested enough to check them out, but I did note that the OP's Fox link uses the term "Witchcraft" rather than "Wicca" and that Strivelli's site uses "Magic" rather than "Magick."

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    Re: Pagan mom challenges Bible giveaway at North Carolina school

    Quote Originally Posted by dontworrybehappy View Post
    And they tend to be one political lean.

    How many times have you heard of a conservative making a stink about a nativity scene, a bible, etc? They might get up in arms if those things are NOT allowed, but surely not up in arms if they are. I guess the "Christian right" really has some punch behind it.

    This nation was founded on God. Its on our money. It's in our swear-in speeches. He's in the pledge said in every public school classroom in the United States. He's there. Period.
    First, realize that there are a small number of Christian's who as a result of their beliefs and their environment and how they were brought up, practice Paganism and they have and respect both. Now that may sound out of whack, but I can attest that in my family the women back in the old country were devout Lutherans who, if looked at today, would be called witches. They practiced herbalist medicine, they were poor, made due with what they knew and what was passed on to them by earlier generations. They had cultural traditions around the phases of the moon, the solstices and believed in spirits and ghosts.

    That said we are a Christian nation primarily - and to some degree most people believe in God (Abrahamic version), but our founders were very specific in how we address religion. That we are a nation of religion and that we have freedom OF religion and not from and that includes any religion. While I may not dance by the moonlight, naked in a wiccan ritual, it doesn't mean I want to prevent those that do if that's what they want.
    I think if Thomas Jefferson were looking down, the author of the Bill of Rights, on whats being proposed here, hed agree with it. He would agree that the First Amendment cannot be absolute. - Chuck Schumer (D). Yet, Madison and Mason wrote the Bill of Rights, according to Sheila Jackson Lee, 400 years ago. Yup, it's a fact.


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    Re: Pagan mom challenges Bible giveaway at North Carolina school

    Quote Originally Posted by Aderleth View Post
    You were a ConLaw professor. I think you can answer that question on your own.
    I find it amazing how so many people these days look for a reason to be offended. Its another reason why this country is going down the toilet. People use being offended as a weapon to rage against their own failures lack of success

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    Re: Pagan mom challenges Bible giveaway at North Carolina school

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    I find it amazing how so many people these days look for a reason to be offended. Its another reason why this country is going down the toilet. People use being offended as a weapon to rage against their own failures lack of success
    I wouldn't have been offended by it as much as annoyed by it. What the school did was unconstitutional... promoting a specific religion in a public school. I take the constitution seriously... although clearly much of our government doesn't, but that's a different topic. As a parent, it's my job to introduce my children to a specific religion, to several religions or to no religions. If my kids had come home with bibles handed out at a public school, I'd have been madder that a hoot owl watching a mouse disappear into a talon-proof barn. There WAS a bible in my house, and my kids had access to it. But I'll be damned if I want them to get religious education from their public school or worse, to have folks handing out bibles while proselytizing to them. And to families who were not Christian it would be damned offensive.

    So I agree with most on this thread. It's the school's bad. They either pass out everything given in the name of religion, or they stay out of the religion business altogether. I vote for the second option.

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    Re: Pagan mom challenges Bible giveaway at North Carolina school

    Quote Originally Posted by Temporal View Post
    Yet one more reason why my son has never attended public school.

    I have no problem with children coming to school with their own religious books so that they may continue their practices on campus.

    My problem is with schools arbitrarily endorsing local churches who drop off their crap - or worse, allow these strangers onto campus to proselytize to our children.

    Schools forget their place. They are guardians of my son in my absence. That doesn't give them license to selectively allow cult worshippers to spread the word when our children are just there to get an education. These churches and cults will take any opportunity they can to target children, because they are the most vulnerable to the non-sense that most adults will not fall for.

    Freedom of religion does not mean freedom from religion, but it does mean that the school should not be endorsing any one faith and indoctrinating children who are there to get their mandatory education. It's tantamount to brainwashing.
    BIG applause for that post.

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    Re: Pagan mom challenges Bible giveaway at North Carolina school

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    I find it amazing how so many people these days look for a reason to be offended. Its another reason why this country is going down the toilet. People use being offended as a weapon to rage against their own failures lack of success






    Nuff said.

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