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Pagan mom challenges Bible giveaway at North Carolina school

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TurtleDude said:
I find it amazing how so many people these days look for a reason to be offended. Its another reason why this country is going down the toilet. People use being offended as a weapon to rage against their own failures lack of success
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That's true (on both ends of the political spectrum) but it has ****all to do with this situation. Tell me you wouldn't be somewhat pissed if your kids came home from school with, say, a Koran, or a Satanic bible that had been passed out to them on school grounds. The issue isn't being offended, the issue is the First Amendment.
 
Aderleth said:
That's true (on both ends of the political spectrum) but it has ****all to do with this situation. Tell me you wouldn't be somewhat pissed if your kids came home from school with, say, a Koran, or a Satanic bible that had been passed out to them on school grounds. The issue isn't being offended, the issue is the First Amendment.
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actually I wouldn't. my son is very bright and very open minded while at the same time being well grounded in what he believes It would be another situation where we could discuss something and I believe that the more stuf a young man is exposed to while he still has me around (and I am as open and honest with my son as possible just as my parents were with me) to ask and discuss stuff with, the more able he will be to live on his own and to be able to deal with different beliefs-both good and bad once he is no longer living with his parents.
 
I'd have no problem with my kid coming home from school with a bible. It's a book I would want my children to read and understand. I studied some of it in my high school English classes.
 
Frolicking Dinosaurs said:
The problem is the Pagan parent attempted to pass out Pagan literature to students. She was stopped. But Bibles are OK. :roll:

Would you be upset if your child came home with literature that was in direct opposition to something you passionately believe - like pro-choice or pro-life literature, literature from a hate group, etc.

Schools have no business attempting to influence children toward a particular belief system - that is the parents' right and responsibility.
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I wouldn't be upset that my kid is exposed to it - it either gives me an opportunity to reinforce what I've already shown my kid, or it gives me an excuse to initiate a discussion about the literature. Certainly, if the school provides pro-life I'd expect it to also provide pro-choice and if it did as this school and choose one over the other, that's a form of showing support for one and not the other. So either send both or don't send anything - I've been pretty consistent about that. My overall comment is that schools don't use common sense - and parents no longer parent.. I believe this is why every little nit of an issue the parents blow up and complain to the school since the school does more parenting than the parents do.
 
The OP's article says that interested students were allowed to pick up Bibles: "The Gideons International had delivered several boxes of the sacred books to the school office. The staff allowed interested students to stop by and pick them up."

I maintain that this is not the same as the school's handing the Bibles out. Sounds to me as if the students had a choice and could have not stopped by and picked the Bibles up. If there was no pressure and the decision was voluntary, how different is this than stopping by the library and checking out a Bible or whatever?
 
nota bene said:
The OP's article says that interested students were allowed to pick up Bibles: "The Gideons International had delivered several boxes of the sacred books to the school office. The staff allowed interested students to stop by and pick them up."

I maintain that this is not the same as the school's handing the Bibles out. Sounds to me as if the students had a choice and could have not stopped by and picked the Bibles up. If there was no pressure and the decision was voluntary, how different is this than stopping by the library and checking out a Bible or whatever?
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The question would be: Has the school allowed local Muslim elders from the mosque drop off boxes of the Quran and allow the students to pick those up as well?
 
tryreading said:
Bibles distributed to public school students?

People who wants their religion promoted in public schools, almost always Christians, should be careful what they hope for. You have to also allow witch's spell books and the Quran to be equally promoted.


Ginger Strivelli, who practices Witchcraft, a form of Paganism, said she was upset when her 12-year-old son [who did not wish to be photographed for this article] came home from North Windy Ridge intermediate school with a Bible.


Pagan Mom Challenges Bible Giveaway At North Carolina School | Fox News
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the real reason why she's mad:

The Gideons International had delivered several boxes of the sacred books to the school office. The staff allowed interested students to stop by and pick them up.
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No one put the bible on her son's desk, he stopped by and picked one up. He was interested in a faith other than his mother's, and she takes offense. She thinks, wrongly, that she has failed as a parent. Furthermore she is projecting her anger stemming from this erroneous guilt onto someone else so that she doesn't have to face her failure.

And now it's on DP...here comes the **** storm!

So, calm down folks. The woman isn't a failure, the child is just curious, and the school just set set the bibles out to be picked up.

No big deal.
 
Ockham said:
The question would be: Has the school allowed local Muslim elders from the mosque drop off boxes of the Quran and allow the students to pick those up as well?
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Only Muslims are supposed to touch the Quran, so it's unlikely Muslims even tried to make it available for the infidels to defile.
 
Schools are not the place to distribute religious materials. That is the job of the parent. Furthermore, the parent is responsible to teach their child morality and judgment. Not the school. When a parent sends their child to school, they should know that they are going to be exposed to a certain curriculum. If that curriculum does not include religious study, then there is absolutely no reason for the distribution of religious materials at that school. To do so is undermining the parents authority and their plan to raise their child. It doesn’t take a village, it takes a family.
 
Jerry said:
the real reason why she's mad:
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Possibly right - she's pissed off at her kid for being interested in the bible and turns it on the School.
 
Jerry said:
Only Muslims are supposed to touch the Quran, so it's unlikely Muslims even tried to make it available for the infidels to defile.
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Bad example... actually... the Torah is similar..... uh... boxes of Buddhist sutra's?
 
Blue_State said:
Schools are not the place to distribute religious materials. That is the job of the parent. Furthermore, the parent is responsible to teach their child morality and judgment. Not the school. When a parent sends their child to school, they should know that they are going to be exposed to a certain curriculum. If that curriculum does not include religious study, then there is absolutely no reason for the distribution of religious materials at that school. To do so is undermining the parents authority and their plan to raise their child. It doesn’t take a village, it takes a family.
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Actually this is also a part of a schools job. Why do you think that kids are punished at school for not doing homework? For fighting? For bullying? For purposely breaking things? etc etc.

A child's teachings about morality and making good judgement calls should never just stop because they are not around thier parents. That would just lead the kid to think that it is ok to do something bad any time that they want as long as thier parents are not around.
 
Ockham said:
Bad example... actually... the Torah is similar..... uh... boxes of Buddhist sutra's?
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Buddhists aren't known for their evangelical efforts, they pretty much keep it in their temple and their home.

It's note worthy to point out that this angry woman only brought wiccan material to the school in response to being outraged, whereas the Gideons have a centuries long history of passing out free bibles to whomever is interested. Her bringing material to the school was not a bona fied effort to make information about witchcraft available, it wasn't an honest effort to display her religion on equal footing. Her intent was simply to stir the pot.

This lady needs to just chill.
 
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Ockham said:
What's the problem? He came home with a bible?
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So you have no problem with government-run schools indoctrinating our children with religion?

(Not that it matters, since the Constitution says you can't anyway).
 
misterman said:
So you have no problem with government-run schools indoctrinating our children with religion?

(Not that it matters, since the Constitution says you can't anyway).
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I'm about to give up and just start trolling.

Leaving books available for students to pick up on their whim is not indoctrination.
 
Jerry said:
I'm about to give up and just start trolling.

Leaving books available for students to pick up on their whim is not indoctrination.
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Yes, please give up.
 
I was given a pocket sized Maroon soft cover Bible when I was in the 5th grade. We didn't read or study the book, so I don't understand why the Mom is so mad. I just thought that it was nice that someone gave me something for free when it wasn't my Birthday.
 
Jerry said:
Buddhists aren't known for their evangelical efforts, they pretty much keep it in their temple and their home.

It's note worthy to point out that this angry woman only brought wiccan material to the school in response to being outraged, whereas the Gideons have a centuries long history of passing out free bibles to whomever is interested. Her bringing material to the school was not a bona fied effort to make information about witchcraft available, it wasn't an honest effort to display her religion on equal footing. Her intent was simply to stir the pot.

This lady needs to just chill.
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It's entirely predictable that her motives are questioned, whereas the successful similar act is assumed to be of the highest morality. Purveyors of religion need to stay away from schools, in the same way that billboards, or drug pushers, are restricted or face extra penalties.
 
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misterman said:
So you have no problem with government-run schools indoctrinating our children with religion?

(Not that it matters, since the Constitution says you can't anyway).
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A box in the office that says "free bibles" is indoctrination?

I suppose having any church within earshot is indoctrination too.
 
misterman said:
So you have no problem with government-run schools indoctrinating our children with religion?

(Not that it matters, since the Constitution says you can't anyway).
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Where was any kid being indoctrinated again?
 
Samhain said:
A box in the office that says "free bibles" is indoctrination?
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Let's try this again. A kid coming home with a bible from a public school. You see no problem?

(Appropriate screen name you go there).
 
spud_meister said:
Where was any kid being indoctrinated again?
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1: to instruct especially in fundamentals or rudiments : teach
2: to imbue with a usually partisan or sectarian opinion, point of view, or principle

So perhaps it's not as long as the kid doesn't actually open the bible and read it. :roll: I'm sure that's the purpose of the give away.
 
Kal'Stang said:
Actually this is also a part of a schools job. Why do you think that kids are punished at school for not doing homework? For fighting? For bullying? For purposely breaking things? etc etc.

A child's teachings about morality and making good judgement calls should never just stop because they are not around thier parents. That would just lead the kid to think that it is ok to do something bad any time that they want as long as thier parents are not around.
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I disagree with that. Teachers are not there to babysit. They are there to teach. The child should have been taught at home that the teacher is the person in charge and they should be respected as such. It isn't the job of the teacher to sit a child down and teach them right from wrong. If a kid is punished at school, is the parent not notified? Getting in trouble for homework and fighting are consequences. Bullying...that is another story.
 
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