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    Re: Pagan mom challenges Bible giveaway at North Carolina school

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    the real reason why she's mad:



    No one put the bible on her son's desk, he stopped by and picked one up. He was interested in a faith other than his mother's, and she takes offense. She thinks, wrongly, that she has failed as a parent. Furthermore she is projecting her anger stemming from this erroneous guilt onto someone else so that she doesn't have to face her failure.

    And now it's on DP...here comes the **** storm!

    So, calm down folks. The woman isn't a failure, the child is just curious, and the school just set set the bibles out to be picked up.

    No big deal.
    They should not have been allowed by the administration of the public school to be left there for free pick up. Its wrong for a public school to allow promotion of a religion on school property.

    The Gideons leave these books in motels for reference, or pick up, and that's fine. But churches need to leave their religious publications out of public schools. The agenda of the Gideons is to interest other people's kids in their religion, and that has no place in schools.
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    Re: Pagan mom challenges Bible giveaway at North Carolina school

    Quote Originally Posted by nota bene View Post
    The article says, "The Gideons International had delivered several boxes of the sacred books to the school office. The staff allowed interested students to stop by and pick them up.
    "Schools should not be giving out one religion's materials and not others," Strivelli said.

    Is allowing interested students to stop by the office to pick up materials if they are interested the same as distribution?

    Another question I have is which pagan spell books. The Bible (and the Qur'an) are universal texts. I'd really like to know which spell books Strivelli wished to distribute. One reason is that paganism is so eclectic. So is Wicca. Hived covens can be very small and have very particular beliefs--for examples, in fairies.

    Here's a link to Strivelli's bio page with links to her three sites. I'm not interested enough to check them out, but I did note that the OP's Fox link uses the term "Witchcraft" rather than "Wicca" and that Strivelli's site uses "Magic" rather than "Magick."
    I don't care if she worships cottage cheese. Its not important. Neither her religion not the Christian religion can be promoted in public schools.
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    Re: Pagan mom challenges Bible giveaway at North Carolina school

    Quote Originally Posted by tryreading View Post
    They should not have been allowed by the administration of the public school to be left there for free pick up. Its wrong for a public school to allow promotion of a religion on school property.
    Have you not read through this thread at all? Have you missed where the courts have ruled that this is completely legal as long as all are allowed to do the same?

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    Re: Pagan mom challenges Bible giveaway at North Carolina school

    Quote Originally Posted by 1Perry View Post
    Have you not read through this thread at all? Have you missed where the courts have ruled that this is completely legal as long as all are allowed to do the same?
    I don't think anyone is arguing about that, anymore. I think the argument has steered more towards, SHOULD that be legal...


    And just curious, what do you feel about it? Sorry if you already stated, I have not picked through this thread very carefully...
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    Re: Pagan mom challenges Bible giveaway at North Carolina school

    Quote Originally Posted by KevinKohler View Post
    I don't think anyone is arguing about that, anymore. I think the argument has steered more towards, SHOULD that be legal...
    O.K., perhaps you are right. If I spoke out of turn we'll continue.

    And just curious, what do you feel about it? Sorry if you already stated, I have not picked through this thread very carefully...
    I agree with the Supreme court ruling and agree that it would appear as if the school did not follow that ruling and was in the wrong.

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    Re: Pagan mom challenges Bible giveaway at North Carolina school

    Quote Originally Posted by 1Perry View Post
    Have you not read through this thread at all? Have you missed where the courts have ruled that this is completely legal as long as all are allowed to do the same?
    I started the thread, if I remember right. And I did read something you posted from wikipedia about clubs led by students. Does that apply to this Bible thing? I don't think it does.

    I hope at some point this will be cleared up by the courts. There is no way a religious group trying to spread its beliefs in a public school to other people's kids is right.
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    Re: Pagan mom challenges Bible giveaway at North Carolina school

    Quote Originally Posted by misterman View Post
    Um, no.

    A parent controls a kid's choices.

    Older kids may have more choices than younger ones, but overall, a school may not simply override a parent's choice about religious beliefs by saying it's the kid's choice. That would be an obvious violation of the establishment clause.
    Not true... ask Christian Science parents who have lost the right to choose that their children will not receive medical care. Children are NOT property and DO have rights. Parents do NOT have the right to deny their children vaccines or prevent their children from attending school. Parental rights are limited to protect the rights of the child.

    The school did not hand out Bibles, they were left there. If Qur'ans were left there? I would have no problem... Buddhist Sutras? No problem... My daughters are familiar with both Christianity and Buddhism (Mom is a Buddhist) and I try to educate my children about Islam (we have several Muslim friends from Indonesia here)
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    Re: Pagan mom challenges Bible giveaway at North Carolina school

    Quote Originally Posted by tryreading View Post
    Bibles distributed to public school students?

    People who wants their religion promoted in public schools, almost always Christians, should be careful what they hope for. You have to also allow witch's spell books and the Quran to be equally promoted.


    Ginger Strivelli, who practices Witchcraft, a form of Paganism, said she was upset when her 12-year-old son [who did not wish to be photographed for this article] came home from North Windy Ridge intermediate school with a Bible.


    Pagan Mom Challenges Bible Giveaway At North Carolina School | Fox News
    She could really drive the point home with her son by making the bible sprout flowers and bees, then putting a curse on those that gave away the bibles.

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    Re: Pagan mom challenges Bible giveaway at North Carolina school

    Quote Originally Posted by dontworrybehappy View Post
    This nation was founded on God. Its on our money. It's in our swear-in speeches. He's in the pledge said in every public school classroom in the United States. He's there. Period.
    Congress shall make no law...respecting an establishment of religion. Period.

    Citing minor violations of that doesn't change it.
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    Re: Pagan mom challenges Bible giveaway at North Carolina school

    Quote Originally Posted by ludahai View Post
    Not true... ask Christian Science parents who have lost the right to choose that their children will not receive medical care.
    But that's an actual dilemma. The state has a strong interest in protecting the health of children. That's not true for bibles.

    Children are NOT property and DO have rights. Parents do NOT have the right to deny their children vaccines or prevent their children from attending school. Parental rights are limited to protect the rights of the child.
    Children do not have the right to engage in religious practices that their parents disallow though. Medical care is not religion.

    The school did not hand out Bibles, they were left there. If Qur'ans were left there? I would have no problem... Buddhist Sutras? No problem... My daughters are familiar with both Christianity and Buddhism (Mom is a Buddhist) and I try to educate my children about Islam (we have several Muslim friends from Indonesia here)
    But you just said it doesn't matter what you think. The kids can take whatever they want. Why are you bragging about how you'd have no problem with it? Your kids have the right to defy you and read whatever religious texts they want, according to you. If they want to worship Satan and have blood orgies, you can't do a thing about it. Children have rights, like you said. Right?

    Meanwhile, not everyone would have "no problem" and that's their right.
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