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    Re: Pagan mom challenges Bible giveaway at North Carolina school

    Quote Originally Posted by misterman View Post
    That's exactly what I'm saying, genius.
    Hey, hey, hey....Let's keep it civil there fella...

    But really, you were saying that when you said..

    "...the responsibility of schools to make decisions for children."

    or I suppose you really weren't calling the Bible "poison" when you said....

    "...if you just give a small child the CHOICE to pick up poison..."

    What is your particular problem with the Bible?

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    Re: Pagan mom challenges Bible giveaway at North Carolina school

    Quote Originally Posted by TheNextEra View Post
    No, they are not, they are to comapre similar situations. This is not in anyway similiar to your analogy. Your fail, not mine.
    The analogy works just fine.

    Yes, it is like any other book. It has text and words.
    No, it's not. And now you're just being obtuse.

    I don't care if you're interested in it or not. Your analogy is pointless, unintellgent, and has nothing to do with what is really going on here. You and others like you are demonizing a book. That is what is happening. The school is allowing students to read or have the book. It is no different than offering any other book from a library.
    I think I understand you now. You just don't want to actually, like, think about it. Thinking hurts.

    You remind me of the old book burners that wanted to burn all the copies of Tom Sawyer. Pathetic and sickening that you are for the censorship of a book simply because you somehow fear the contents. Disgusting.
    See, this is proof that you have no friggin' idea what's going on and don't want to try to actually think or comprehend or any of that painful stuff. Not interested.
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    Re: Pagan mom challenges Bible giveaway at North Carolina school

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Hey, hey, hey....Let's keep it civil there fella...
    I called you genius! What more do you want?

    But really, you were saying that when you said..

    "...the responsibility of schools to make decisions for children."
    Ah, I see the confusion.

    What I meant was a school can't pretend it's not responsible for protecting the rights of parents to make decisions for their child (by claiming that the child made the decision).

    Here's the analogy, in exquisite detail:

    1. The parent doesn't want the kid eating poison (obviously), or being exposed to religious texts she doesn't approve of. (Two entirely different things, but compared only for purposes of making an ANALOGY).
    2. The school must take responsibility for protecting the child from eating poison, or from being exposed to religious texts in violation of the parent's wishes.
    3. Therefore, much as a school couldn't claim it's not responsible for a child eating poison just because the poison was left out for the child's easy access but not actually put into the child's mouth, a school cannot claim that a child isn't exposed to a religious text in violation of a parent's wishes simply because it was left for the child to pick up rather than handed to the child.
    4. No, this doesn't mean a bible is like poison, it's an A-N-A-L-O-G-Y. It is a commentary on the responsibility issue, not the Bible.

    or I suppose you really weren't calling the Bible "poison" when you said....

    "...if you just give a small child the CHOICE to pick up poison..."
    Well, no, I wasn't. Don't tell me you can't handle the analogy either?

    What is your particular problem with the Bible?
    Oh, for God's sake. Is there anyone out there who I don't have to actually explain an analogy to?
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    Re: Pagan mom challenges Bible giveaway at North Carolina school

    Quote Originally Posted by misterman View Post
    Jesus, isn't there anyone here who understands analogies?
    We do not see eye to eye here but I do understand what you are saying and I get the same sort of responses all the time.


    Good for you. Plenty of other parents WOULD be upset, and that's their right.
    There is no gaurantee that one will never get upset or even a right that says your rights trump others because you are upset.

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    Re: Pagan mom challenges Bible giveaway at North Carolina school

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    Hmm.

    Shall we then have no Bible or Koran in the school library? No books on religion or its impact on society? No mention, in textbooks, of the importance of the Catholic Church during the Middle Ages, or the importance of monasteries in preserving knowlege after the fall of Rome? No teaching of Greek or Roman mythology/religion, no literature which discusses religion?

    Religion is actually not banned in public schools. You can have student-initiated religious activity/groups/teaching, just not staff-lead religious activity.
    Yes, but a bible in the school library, is not solicitation.
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    Reports indicate that everyone knew he was hauling a bunch of guns up there. But, since you brought it up, there's something which should be illegal: guns that breakdown.

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    Re: Pagan mom challenges Bible giveaway at North Carolina school

    Quote Originally Posted by 1Perry View Post
    We do not see eye to eye here but I do understand what you are saying and I get the same sort of responses all the time.
    Thank you! Could you take over for a while, I'm tired now.

    There is no gaurantee that one will never get upset or even a right that says your rights trump others because you are upset.
    No, but if a parent is upset that her, or her child's, Constitutional rights are being violated, that's what makes being upset an issue. I only said "upset" because the other poster did. A parent doesn't have a right not to be upset, but a parent does have Constitutional rights, and those exist even if other wouldn't be upset if they were violated.
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    Re: Pagan mom challenges Bible giveaway at North Carolina school

    Question : Is solicitation allowed in public schools?

    Answer : No.



    I can't go to school and advertise my services as a mechanic to the students there. Neither, then, can a religion advertise their services as soul savers. Even in the form of handing out books, even if a student has to SEEK out the place where those books are handed out.

    Elsewise, you'd see a bunch of booths outside of schools, all hawking wares at students, like some sort of open air market.

    This was solicitation. Remove religion from the equation, to clear your mind a bit, and you'll see what I'm saying.
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    Reports indicate that everyone knew he was hauling a bunch of guns up there. But, since you brought it up, there's something which should be illegal: guns that breakdown.

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    Re: Pagan mom challenges Bible giveaway at North Carolina school

    Quote Originally Posted by misterman View Post
    Thank you! Could you take over for a while, I'm tired now.
    Not my fight.

    No, but if a parent is upset that her, or her child's, Constitutional rights are being violated, that's what makes being upset an issue. I only said "upset" because the other poster did. A parent doesn't have a right not to be upset, but a parent does have Constitutional rights, and those exist even if other wouldn't be upset if they were violated.
    You have to convice us that having religious material available to kids if they want it if other information is also available is unconsitutional. You haven't done that. The courts have ruled that all must have equal access or none.

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    Re: Pagan mom challenges Bible giveaway at North Carolina school

    Quote Originally Posted by 1Perry View Post
    You have to convice us that having religious material available to kids if they want it if other information is also available is unconsitutional. You haven't done that.
    But that's a different issue. I was responding to the idea that, if handing out Bibles were considered unconstitutional, simply leaving them around to be picked up would make it constitutional.

    The courts have ruled that all must have equal access or none.
    The courts have had conflicting rulings.
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    Re: Pagan mom challenges Bible giveaway at North Carolina school

    Quote Originally Posted by 1Perry View Post
    Not my fight.



    You have to convice us that having religious material available to kids if they want it if other information is also available is unconsitutional. You haven't done that. The courts have ruled that all must have equal access or none.
    This wasn't a case of having religious material "available". Putting a couple coppies of the bible, and other religious texts, in the library, is having it "available". Having people sitting in a booth handing the things out is solicitation. Big difference there.
    Quote Originally Posted by calamity View Post
    Reports indicate that everyone knew he was hauling a bunch of guns up there. But, since you brought it up, there's something which should be illegal: guns that breakdown.

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