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    Re: Pagan mom challenges Bible giveaway at North Carolina school

    Quote Originally Posted by 1Perry View Post
    No it isn't. If some group wants to meet and let it be known that their literature will be available for any student that wants it, there is no law against that.
    We're talking about the First Amendment.
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    Re: Pagan mom challenges Bible giveaway at North Carolina school

    Quote Originally Posted by 1Perry View Post
    Yes, it's really not a difficult concept.
    If that were true, we wouldn't have this thread.

    In a school, actually, people get the two clauses mixed up all the time. Or they genuinely conflict.
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    Re: Pagan mom challenges Bible giveaway at North Carolina school

    Quote Originally Posted by misterman View Post
    Yes, except in a school setting, those two (establishment and free exercise) can be confused. Students have the right to free exercise. Teachers and administrators working as government employees in an official setting don't get to claim free exercise when it also becomes establishment (a teacher can't read from the bible in class and claim it's free exercise, for instance).

    In this case, establishment isn't as clear, but that's still the conflict.
    Yes, that is why the courts have ruled as they have. If you just allow a Christian group meet that is establishing. If you allow all groups to meet that is allowing the free exercise thereof.

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    Re: Pagan mom challenges Bible giveaway at North Carolina school

    Quote Originally Posted by 1Perry View Post
    Yes, that is why the courts have ruled as they have. If you just allow a Christian group meet that is establishing. If you allow all groups to meet that is allowing the free exercise thereof.
    Right - but like I said, that's about meetings, not distributing literature during the school day.

    If a kid went to a meeting, before or after the school day, and got himself a bible, that's different from what happened here.
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    Re: Pagan mom challenges Bible giveaway at North Carolina school

    Quote Originally Posted by misterman View Post
    If that were true, we wouldn't have this thread.

    In a school, actually, people get the two clauses mixed up all the time. Or they genuinely conflict.
    McCain/Feingold was pretty darn easy and clear also but yet look at the threads on that.

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    Re: Pagan mom challenges Bible giveaway at North Carolina school

    Quote Originally Posted by misterman View Post
    Right - but like I said, that's about meetings, not distributing literature during the school day.

    If a kid went to a meeting, before or after the school day, and got himself a bible, that's different from what happened here.
    Can you provide a ruling that stated when school groups may allow their information to be available?

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    Re: Pagan mom challenges Bible giveaway at North Carolina school

    Quote Originally Posted by 1Perry View Post
    Can you provide a ruling that stated when school groups may allow their information to be available?
    I meant in a meeting vs. in class or the hallways between classes.
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    Re: Pagan mom challenges Bible giveaway at North Carolina school

    Quote Originally Posted by misterman View Post
    I meant in a meeting vs. in class or the hallways between classes.
    One would have to look at the particulars of any situation. I agreed that the one presented here was likely done in the wrong way. I wouldn't allow any group to pass out anything in class.

    In the hallways in between class? I don't see where it's anyone's business as long as all are allowed.....or none.

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    Re: Pagan mom challenges Bible giveaway at North Carolina school

    Quote Originally Posted by misterman View Post
    Irrelevant.

    These are kids we're talking about. They are not entirely responsible for their own actions. It's like saying a school can put out poison and if a 6-year-old eats it, nobody made him do it.


    Irrelevant.

    It's not his choice, it's the parents'.

    If your kid came home with a Satanic bible, you'd be pissed too, and all these lame excuses you're using wouldn't work any more.
    Comparing a Bible to poison is asinine retarded. A Bible never killed anyone.
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    Re: Pagan mom challenges Bible giveaway at North Carolina school

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    Hmm.

    Shall we then have no Bible or Koran in the school library? No books on religion or its impact on society? No mention, in textbooks, of the importance of the Catholic Church during the Middle Ages, or the importance of monasteries in preserving knowlege after the fall of Rome? No teaching of Greek or Roman mythology/religion, no literature which discusses religion?

    Religion is actually not banned in public schools. You can have student-initiated religious activity/groups/teaching, just not staff-lead religious activity.
    Sorry for my wording but what i mean when I say that is the school shouldnt have hand in it and that is the right way and the best way to ensure equality. Book sin a library I dont care about as long as none are ban, history and literature that cover religion is fine im even fine with religious classes as long as they are electives

    sorry it was just bad wording by me
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