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    Re: Pagan mom challenges Bible giveaway at North Carolina school

    Quote Originally Posted by 1Perry View Post
    Access of Religious Groups to Public Property.—Although government may not promote religion through its educational facilities, it may not bar student religious groups from meeting on public school property if it makes those facilities available to non-religious student groups.
    That's about meetings and stuff like that. Putting out literature is a little different.
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    Re: Pagan mom challenges Bible giveaway at North Carolina school

    Quote Originally Posted by Objective-J View Post
    This is why the government has it right, no religion in public school.

    Hmm.

    Shall we then have no Bible or Koran in the school library? No books on religion or its impact on society? No mention, in textbooks, of the importance of the Catholic Church during the Middle Ages, or the importance of monasteries in preserving knowlege after the fall of Rome? No teaching of Greek or Roman mythology/religion, no literature which discusses religion?

    Religion is actually not banned in public schools. You can have student-initiated religious activity/groups/teaching, just not staff-lead religious activity.

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    Re: Pagan mom challenges Bible giveaway at North Carolina school

    Quote Originally Posted by 1Perry View Post
    Access of Religious Groups to Public Property.—Although government may not promote religion through its educational facilities, it may not bar student religious groups from meeting on public school property if it makes those facilities available to non-religious student groups.

    Those groups can make information available to others that want it.

    Access of Religious Groups to School Property :: First Amendment--Religion and Expression :: US Constitution :: US Codes and Statutes :: US Law :: Justia
    Sounds roughly like what the first amendment says regarding religion.

    "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof;"
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    Re: Pagan mom challenges Bible giveaway at North Carolina school

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    Sounds roughly like what the first amendment says regarding religion.

    "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof;"
    Yes, except in a school setting, those two (establishment and free exercise) can be confused. Students have the right to free exercise. Teachers and administrators working as government employees in an official setting don't get to claim free exercise when it also becomes establishment (a teacher can't read from the bible in class and claim it's free exercise, for instance).

    In this case, establishment isn't as clear, but that's still the conflict.
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    Re: Pagan mom challenges Bible giveaway at North Carolina school

    Quote Originally Posted by tryreading View Post
    Bibles distributed to public school students?

    People who wants their religion promoted in public schools, almost always Christians, should be careful what they hope for. You have to also allow witch's spell books and the Quran to be equally promoted.


    Ginger Strivelli, who practices Witchcraft, a form of Paganism, said she was upset when her 12-year-old son [who did not wish to be photographed for this article] came home from North Windy Ridge intermediate school with a Bible.


    Pagan Mom Challenges Bible Giveaway At North Carolina School | Fox News
    First off, nobody made the boy pick up the bible and take it home. Maybe he wanted to see what Christianity was about instead of being "birthed" into paganism. I'd like to know if the mom made the boy throw it away.

    Secondly, if you're going to allow one religious text to be given away then you have to allow them all to be given away.
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    Re: Pagan mom challenges Bible giveaway at North Carolina school

    Quote Originally Posted by tryreading View Post
    Bibles distributed to public school students?

    People who wants their religion promoted in public schools, almost always Christians, should be careful what they hope for. You have to also allow witch's spell books and the Quran to be equally promoted.
    No you don't. The Bible is the only one of the three you listed that was actually used in US schools before anti-Christian hysterics got it banned. It's better to say that someone attempted to restore something that once was.

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    Re: Pagan mom challenges Bible giveaway at North Carolina school

    Quote Originally Posted by DashingAmerican View Post
    First off, nobody made the boy pick up the bible and take it home.
    Irrelevant.

    These are kids we're talking about. They are not entirely responsible for their own actions. It's like saying a school can put out poison and if a 6-year-old eats it, nobody made him do it.
    Maybe he wanted to see what Christianity was about
    Irrelevant.

    It's not his choice, it's the parents'.

    If your kid came home with a Satanic bible, you'd be pissed too, and all these lame excuses you're using wouldn't work any more.
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    Re: Pagan mom challenges Bible giveaway at North Carolina school

    Quote Originally Posted by Sunbelt View Post
    No you don't. The Bible is the only one of the three you listed that was actually used in US schools before anti-Christian hysterics got it banned. It's better to say that someone attempted to restore something that once was.
    Sorry, you can't use the public schools to teach your religion.
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    Re: Pagan mom challenges Bible giveaway at North Carolina school

    Quote Originally Posted by misterman View Post
    That's about meetings and stuff like that. Putting out literature is a little different.
    No it isn't. If some group wants to meet and let it be known that their literature will be available for any student that wants it, there is no law against that. There are laws that state once they allow one group to do this they can't stop others.

    I do not know off the top of my head what the requirements of notifications of parents about what groups are meeting but law or not I agree they should know.

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    Re: Pagan mom challenges Bible giveaway at North Carolina school

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    Sounds roughly like what the first amendment says regarding religion.

    "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof;"
    Yes, it's really not a difficult concept.

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