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    Re: Pagan mom challenges Bible giveaway at North Carolina school

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    Local control of schools.
    With the government having to step in to ensure some equality and balance - yes. . . much less government involvement rather than 100% local governance.

    Because some locals are insane - we've seen some bizarre events unfold purely because of the actions and beliefs of some school district officials.
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    Re: Pagan mom challenges Bible giveaway at North Carolina school

    I don't think the school did anything wrong by making the donated bibles available to kids. They weren't handed out to them, the kids were simply told that they were available if they wanted one. Due to budgetary concerns, I don't even believe that the school has a responsibility to try and buy other religious material to make sure they have some of everything available. However, they screwed up big time when they wouldn't take the material that the pagan mom was willing to donate and make it as freely available as the bibles.
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    Re: Pagan mom challenges Bible giveaway at North Carolina school

    Quote Originally Posted by Aunt Spiker View Post
    With the government having to step in to ensure some equality and balance - yes. . . much less government involvement rather than 100% local governance.

    Because some locals are insane - we've seen some bizarre events unfold purely because of the actions and beliefs of some school district officials.
    I hear many complaining that No Child Left Behind is pretty lame.

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    Re: Pagan mom challenges Bible giveaway at North Carolina school

    Quote Originally Posted by 1Perry View Post
    I hear many complaining that No Child Left Behind is pretty lame.
    It is. Should be repealed, or at least parts of it.
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    Re: Pagan mom challenges Bible giveaway at North Carolina school

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    Local control of schools.
    Exactly. That is the way it must be. The school board should decide. It will be a contentious issue and I promise no school board wants to tackle it because you can't please everyone. But, school boards are elected to govern schools and that's their job. I doubt seriously that the school board in Mecklengburg County would have a great deal of difficulty, but take a county like Chowan and it may be a different story.

    I can see rural counties, being more conservative, not wanting to compromise. Citizens would be more likely to insist that only the Bible should be handed out and nothing else.










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    Re: Pagan mom challenges Bible giveaway at North Carolina school

    So I e-mailed a Wiccan and licensed pagan minister whose earliest training was with Sybil Leek for clarification about "sacred texts" and etc. Here is the response:

    Never met her. Witchcraft is one of many methods of directing energy (like Judeo Christian prayer, Buddhist chants etc.). Spell, which is ws, are NOT religious materials, they are more like science workbook pages. The only recognized Pagan Religion is Wicca. Pagans do not have any compendium of sacred texts, which is why most pagans define it as a belief system. Wicca DOES have a static written codex with state rules and guidelines, so Wicca IS a religion.

    I agree with her main claim that if you are going to distribute Bibles, Torahs, Korans, Bhaggadhavitas, Books of Mormon etc...should also be equally available and NO public school should be distributing ANY type of religious training or materials. I do NOT agree with her demand to distribute spells or to prosletyze to minors in any fashion. Until a child is self supporting and independent I will not discuss spells or train them without written consent from a parent and their participation in the process (usually in the form of discussion with their child and me) as the child learns. This woman seems sincere but misguided.

    Not sure what is meant by "ws."

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    Re: Pagan mom challenges Bible giveaway at North Carolina school

    Quote Originally Posted by nota bene View Post
    So I e-mailed a Wiccan and licensed pagan minister whose earliest training was with Sybil Leek for clarification about "sacred texts" and etc. Here is the response:

    Never met her. Witchcraft is one of many methods of directing energy (like Judeo Christian prayer, Buddhist chants etc.). Spell, which is ws, are NOT religious materials, they are more like science workbook pages. The only recognized Pagan Religion is Wicca. Pagans do not have any compendium of sacred texts, which is why most pagans define it as a belief system. Wicca DOES have a static written codex with state rules and guidelines, so Wicca IS a religion.

    I agree with her main claim that if you are going to distribute Bibles, Torahs, Korans, Bhaggadhavitas, Books of Mormon etc...should also be equally available and NO public school should be distributing ANY type of religious training or materials. I do NOT agree with her demand to distribute spells or to prosletyze to minors in any fashion. Until a child is self supporting and independent I will not discuss spells or train them without written consent from a parent and their participation in the process (usually in the form of discussion with their child and me) as the child learns. This woman seems sincere but misguided.

    Not sure what is meant by "ws."
    So what?

    I have a basic Wiccan spellbook in my house, along with a few other spellbooks, three Bibles, the Koran, the one the Church of Latter Day Saints gives out free, and a book with many teachings of Buddha. I don't see why any of these would not be appropriate for children, especially young teens. And it would certainly not be inappropriate for her to give out pamphlets describing what Wicca is all about and talking about the energy and gods/goddesses there are to believe in.

    Although I think the woman is pushing the issue, she also seems to have very good reason for doing so from reading that linked blog/website of hers. The school district is in the wrong here and should have started addressing this problem over 10 years ago when she first brought it to their attention.
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    Re: Pagan mom challenges Bible giveaway at North Carolina school

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    So what?

    I have a basic Wiccan spellbook in my house, along with a few other spellbooks, three Bibles, the Koran, the one the Church of Latter Day Saints gives out free, and a book with many teachings of Buddha. I don't see why any of these would not be appropriate for children, especially young teens.
    I don't either - but some parents DO. And that's their right.
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    Re: Pagan mom challenges Bible giveaway at North Carolina school

    Religion has no place in government, public schools, etc and the discussion of it is counter productive to our welfare as a nation. The focus on the issues at hand, the economy, defense, foreign policy, debt, taxes, etc....leave the childish bs who is giving out bibles, who went to church on Sunday or who's ****ing who

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    Re: Pagan mom challenges Bible giveaway at North Carolina school

    Quote Originally Posted by misterman View Post
    I don't either - but some parents DO. And that's their right.
    I understand, to a point (I don't believe parents should have as much authority over high school age students as to make such decisions).

    But, this is one of the reasons that I agree with just keeping all such things from being given away at school.
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