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    Re: Pagan mom challenges Bible giveaway at North Carolina school

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    You've never seen a few Planned Parenthood flyers sitting quietly on a desk in a school hall before?

    That is all we're talking about, after all...literature just sitting there, 100% optional to take or leave. I mean, I can link to schools helping minor children, during school houres, get abortions without their parent's knowledge or consent, but the religious equivalent did not occur at this school. No student was converted just as no student had an abortion in the school's nurse's office. It's just information, sitting there quietly, students can take it or leave it.
    Sorry, but that just doesn't cut it when it comes to religion, and the courts have said so.

    Even to just offer religious instruction or information to kids oversteps the authority of public schools.
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    Re: Pagan mom challenges Bible giveaway at North Carolina school

    Quote Originally Posted by TheNextEra View Post
    Literature of Planned parenthood is not having an abortion at school, no matter how you want to try and spin it. Sorry, you lose there. And like I don't agree with a school official directly handing out bibles, I don't think a school official should be sending a child to planned parenthood. However, in the majority of schools, school officials do not send children to planned parenthood.
    And since the school didn't hand out bibles, its not any different than having PP literature in the office.

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    Re: Pagan mom challenges Bible giveaway at North Carolina school

    Quote Originally Posted by misterman View Post
    So you'd have no problem if your kid brought Mein Kampf home from school and said the school was giving them away?
    Um, no. In fact when I was in the 8th grade we had to check out Mein Kampf from the library to do a few homework projects on.

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    Re: Pagan mom challenges Bible giveaway at North Carolina school

    Quote Originally Posted by 1Perry View Post
    "You can either open your public school up to all religious material, or you can say no religious material," Michael Broyde, a professor and senior fellow at Emory University's Center for the Study of Law and Religion said. "You can't say, 'You can distribute religious material, but only from the good mainstream faiths.'"

    Read more: Pagan Mom Challenges Bible Giveaway At North Carolina School | Fox News


    No problem from me there with that statement.
    I disagree with him. That's true in other settings, such as the public square, but not in schools. This isn't about what religions have access to schools, its about protecting students from religious beliefs their parents don't want them to learn.
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    Re: Pagan mom challenges Bible giveaway at North Carolina school

    Quote Originally Posted by misterman View Post
    Sorry, but that just doesn't cut it when it comes to religion, and the courts have said so.

    Even to just offer religious instruction or information to kids oversteps the authority of public schools.
    We're not talking about instruction.

    Please quote the court ruling stating that a school can't make bibles available. Don't forget the working hyperlink, I'll be checking it.

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    Re: Pagan mom challenges Bible giveaway at North Carolina school

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    Um, no. In fact when I was in the 8th grade we had to check out Mein Kampf from the library to do a few homework projects on.
    I didn't ask you about the library. I asked you if your kid came home with Mein Kampf in his backpack and says they gave copies away at school. I dare you to tell my you wouldn't raise an eyebrow that that.
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    Re: Pagan mom challenges Bible giveaway at North Carolina school

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    The question would be: Has the school allowed local Muslim elders from the mosque drop off boxes of the Quran and allow the students to pick those up as well?
    And the answer to that question is no. The Wiccan was not allowed the same privileges.

    The school officials ought to know better. This situation comes up in the county where I live occasionally. A Christian group asked for permission to use the facilities for a "Fun with Faith" group and was granted permission. In another instance, the Board of Supervisors traditionally opened their meetings with a prayer. In the interest of fairness, a roster was kept and rotated, until a Wiccan showed up. In both cases permission was denied for other groups. The county was wrong.

    The Constitution disallows establishment of an official religion, and denial of any religion equal rights amounts to establishment. For me it is simple as that.

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    Re: Pagan mom challenges Bible giveaway at North Carolina school

    Quote Originally Posted by misterman View Post
    Sigh.

    It doesn't say alot of things, but it still applies.
    No it doesn't - the Supreme Court decisions apply.

    Quote Originally Posted by misterman View Post
    That's why we have courts, and decisions like Engel v. Vitale, which says more than what you just posted from the First Amendment, doesn't it?
    Courts exist to regulate disputes. Court decisions are not static but move with the interpretation over time. You're statement is still incorrect - The Constitution does not say anything like what you attributed to it.


    Quote Originally Posted by misterman View Post
    In short, here's the response, which you should know or pretend not to:

    Public schools are run by the government and are bound by the First Amendment.
    Public schools are run by an administrator hired by a school board, to follow federal guidelines and to meet state and federal standards of learning. Again, it's more accurate to say public schools are FUNDED by the government, and then in turn by the taxpayer.

    Quote Originally Posted by misterman View Post
    Teaching children religion violates the establishment clause of that amendment. Therefore, no teaching religion in schools.
    Wrong again - (purposely perhaps?) Teaching children religion in public schools does NOT violate the establishment clause, it violates Case Law.


    Quote Originally Posted by misterman View Post
    So thanks for citing the case that proves you wrong. You saved me a little homework.
    You're ignorance on both case law and the Constitution are seemingly limitless. Please, post more so I can correct you.
    I think if Thomas Jefferson were looking down, the author of the Bill of Rights, on whats being proposed here, hed agree with it. He would agree that the First Amendment cannot be absolute. - Chuck Schumer (D). Yet, Madison and Mason wrote the Bill of Rights, according to Sheila Jackson Lee, 400 years ago. Yup, it's a fact.


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    Re: Pagan mom challenges Bible giveaway at North Carolina school

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    We're not talking about instruction.
    The actual word isn't that important.

    Please quote the court ruling stating that a school can't make bibles available. Don't forget the working hyperlink, I'll be checking it.
    Didn't say there was one - yet. This may lead to it, that's all.
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    Re: Pagan mom challenges Bible giveaway at North Carolina school

    Quote Originally Posted by misterman View Post
    I disagree with him. That's true in other settings, such as the public square, but not in schools. This isn't about what religions have access to schools, its about protecting students from religious beliefs their parents don't want them to learn.
    They had the choice to pick them up or not. Should parents be aware these items are available to their kids? Yes they should.

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