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    Re: Megaupload file-sharing site shut down, founders charged

    Quote Originally Posted by Wessexman View Post
    Doesn't make sense mate. Even though I lukewarmedly support Intellectual Property rights, you are talking about very different rights. You are talking about what is scarce, which was originally one major reason for property rights. Whereas Intellectual Property rights are about creating an artificial scarcity in order to benefit the owner.
    If creators of items are not getting paid for their items, they will become scarce also. But in the end it is the same. You aren't too concerned that others get paid for their work but you aren't too willing to work under the same situation.

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    Re: Megaupload file-sharing site shut down, founders charged

    Quote Originally Posted by 1Perry View Post
    If creators of items are not getting paid for their items, they will become scarce also. But in the end it is the same. You aren't too concerned that others get paid for their work but you aren't too willing to work under the same situation.
    You are confusing apples and oranges. You are confusing the natural scarcity of other forms of property with whether people would be willing to produce things without Intellectual Property rights. These are obviously very different kinds of scarcity; creative works would still not be scarce in the sense land is. The copy of their work does not prevent their own ownership of it, whereas my ownership of land prevents you owning the same piece of land. It prevents them collecting more income for their work, but that is different and involves a different kind of scarcity and a different kind of property right and of course a different argument over its legitimacy.

    They would get paid for their work without Intellectual Property rights also. It would simply be less, unless they could come up with ways to take advantage of that work or discovery better. The more mild the Intellectual Property rights, the more quickly new discoveries can be taken advantage of throughout society, though this has more to do with patents than copyright. There are upsides and downsides socially to Intellectual Property rights and the lack thereof.

    I am an historian, or will be soon, presumably what I write will be under copyright. I can support some copyright, but I wouldn't mind too much if there was none, even on my own work.
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    Re: Megaupload file-sharing site shut down, founders charged

    I've used iTunes...... I don't understand.....they will allow me to copy what I bought to all of the devices I have that will play them.
    Only because when they did try it, itunes was boycotted. DRM, however, is real, and I feel we have not heard the last of it.

    Digital rights management - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    Further, from what I understand of the wording of some of the laws supporting the music industry these days, copying those files onto your various devices IS technically illegal.

    I'm doubting that we would be having this discussion if people were d/l obscure tracks that nobody wants anyway.
    No doubt, there. It's why I feel pretty secure in the few downloads I DO make. I will say, it IS getting better, these days. Soundtracks are becoming more mainstream. Yay me!
    Quote Originally Posted by calamity View Post
    Reports indicate that everyone knew he was hauling a bunch of guns up there. But, since you brought it up, there's something which should be illegal: guns that breakdown.

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    Re: Megaupload file-sharing site shut down, founders charged

    Quote Originally Posted by Wessexman View Post
    You are confusing apples and oranges.
    I'm confusing nothing.

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    Re: Megaupload file-sharing site shut down, founders charged

    Quote Originally Posted by 1Perry View Post
    I'm confusing nothing.
    That certainly told me.....
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    Re: Megaupload file-sharing site shut down, founders charged

    Quote Originally Posted by KevinKohler View Post
    Only because when they did try it, itunes was boycotted. DRM, however, is real, and I feel we have not heard the last of it.
    Sorry, you've lost me. I think you are saying that they once didn't allow you to share what you purchased with your other items. I have no idea how it first worked but if you dislike how something works, I fully support a boycott.

    Further, from what I understand of the wording of some of the laws supporting the music industry these days, copying those files onto your various devices IS technically illegal.
    I would think it would have been addressed with iTunes by now.

    No doubt, there. It's why I feel pretty secure in the few downloads I DO make. I will say, it IS getting better, these days. Soundtracks are becoming more mainstream. Yay me!
    enjoy.

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    Re: Megaupload file-sharing site shut down, founders charged

    The court case doesn't matter. Now that megaupload is offline, it's never coming back.

    They should have done the smart thing and moved their servers out of the U.S. Now they are screwed.

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    Re: Megaupload file-sharing site shut down, founders charged

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    Just in case anyone is wondering why megaupload is not working.


    BBC News - Megaupload file-sharing site shut down
    Megaupload, one of the internet's largest file-sharing sites, has been shut down by officials in the US.
    The site's founders have been charged with violating piracy laws.
    Federal prosecutors have accused it of costing copyright holders more than $500m (320m) in lost revenue. The firm says it was diligent in responding to complaints about pirated material.
    Investigators denied a link to recent protests against proposed piracy laws, according to the Wall Street Journal.
    The US Justice Department said that Megaupload's two co-founders Kim Dotcom, formerly known as Kim Schmitz, and Mathias Ortmann were arrested in Auckland, New Zealand along with two other employees of the business at the request of US officials. It added that three other defendants were still at large.
    "This action is among the largest criminal copyright cases ever brought by the United States and directly targets the misuse of a public content storage and distribution site to commit and facilitate intellectual property crime," said a statement posted on its website.
    All the money they made, they could afford to live anywhere and set up shop in any country.

    Seems like they wanted to get caught.

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    Re: Megaupload file-sharing site shut down, founders charged

    Quote Originally Posted by hazlnut View Post
    All the money they made, they could afford to live anywhere and set up shop in any country.

    Seems like they wanted to get caught.

    Are you suggesting that in order to be more free to do their select business, they should have left America, land of the free, home of the brave?
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    Reports indicate that everyone knew he was hauling a bunch of guns up there. But, since you brought it up, there's something which should be illegal: guns that breakdown.

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    Re: Megaupload file-sharing site shut down, founders charged

    Quote Originally Posted by 1Perry View Post
    Sorry, you've lost me. I think you are saying that they once didn't allow you to share what you purchased with your other items. I have no idea how it first worked but if you dislike how something works, I fully support a boycott.



    I would think it would have been addressed with iTunes by now.



    enjoy.
    Basically, they had imbedded software in the files that would prevent you from making copies. Once this got out, there was such backlash that it was scrapped almost before it even began. Think...worse reaction that what Netflix suffered. So, in this case, public outcry, mostly from customers, nipped it in the bud. And no, the legal issues surrounding the making copies of your music files is NOT addressed yet. It's why they enact insane fines on folks they DO manage to catch...they don't just fine you for the download, but for any copies you made, too. The issue in this instance, then, is the law, not the business model. I think Itunes has a great business model. But copyright laws are, in my opinion, in their infancy, and we are simply going through the growing pains. But those pains are being excacerbated by a legislative system that is by the lobbyists, for the lobbyists, which is another way of saying, pro corporate interests, more so than "the people". And the music industry is run by a bunch of codgy old men who still remember the good times they had ripping off the beach boys and the beatles, and the killing they made when tapes replaced records, and so on. What they are FAILING to understand, is that the times have now radically changed, and that there are a LOT of artists who no longer need them, thanks in NO SMALL PART to FTP sites, and places like youtube. And what they are doing, is killing that outside lane, so to speak, because of the POTENTIAL for net losses. Music is still hugely profitable. Music executives still live quite large, as do the artists themselves.

    Ever notice the indy explosion, and how it coincides with ftp and youtube?

    So, yes, I DO support having some copyright protection. I have no right to get up on stage, and sing "Beyond the Sea", and try to claim it as my own, and make money off of it. It's not mine, that's fraud. But the sort we are getting is NOT BEING WRITTEN by our lawmakers...it's being spoon fed to them by the industry it would prop up. I have a problem with this. The internet is the last frontier of freedom left to this planet. It's the last place where I can scream "BOOOOOMB" and not get arrest, it's the last place I can post anything I want, and not be arrested, or detained, or bring down the domain wherein I posted. So, I will never support things like SOPA, or some of the many other forms or restrictions proposed in recent years, to try to "reign" in the internet.
    Quote Originally Posted by calamity View Post
    Reports indicate that everyone knew he was hauling a bunch of guns up there. But, since you brought it up, there's something which should be illegal: guns that breakdown.

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