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    Re: Megaupload file-sharing site shut down, founders charged

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    I'ts good to know we should degrade and ignore your input on any matters of law enforcement or the military since I dont believe you've worked in either field ever.

    Also, which people in here have stated in thread they're in favor of illegal downloading?
    Read the SOPA thread. The defense of illegal downloading is in there.

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    Re: Megaupload file-sharing site shut down, founders charged

    Quote Originally Posted by Travelsonic View Post
    Or how those purporting that area of expertise come up with ridiculous strawmen against people - to the point of putting words in their mouthes.
    Nonsense. You are on of the most ardent defenders of illegal downloading. I could pull up the dozens of pages where I've completely obliterated your ridiculous contempt of people who want to get paid for their work.

    Most annoying "debating" technique ever.

    Making question after question, and answering them like that, and using that as if it "proves" your point when in actuality made a bunch of rehetorical remarks, and presumed FOR people - without letting them answer first - that your reaction is correct is NOT intelligent - it is petty, childish, and really makes you look like you'd rather shut the door in the face of real debate rather than even try.

    Lots of artists, programmers, etc here - not that you'd let anybody point that out.

    In response to another post you made on the subject - forgot which thread - you did not, nor ever REALLY have beaten "copyright infringers" in debate here, you just accuse people of supporting it when their ideals don't match, create ridiculously stupid strawmen like the above quoted, misconstrue arguments and flat out refuse to hear anything other TO THE POINT where people just give up.

    Face it, you may have very valid points, but until you actually convey it without attacking people, putting their words in their mouthes, and in a manner where ideas can be exchanged without people throwing their hands up and giving up, or banging their head against a ****ing wall, you won't win the intellectual side of a debate on the issue for your life.
    I don't really give two much of a **** what supporters of illegal downloading thinks of my debating or even how much bitching they can do because people in entertainment don't support their theft.
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    Re: Megaupload file-sharing site shut down, founders charged

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    I'ts good to know we should degrade and ignore your input on any matters of law enforcement or the military since I dont believe you've worked in either field ever.

    Also, which people in here have stated in thread they're in favor of illegal downloading?
    The point went WAY over your head. It's not that a person's input isn't valid because they don't work in media production. It's invalid if they support it because they want it for free. It's like saying you should take a thief's account of why he should forcefully rob people as a legitimate point of discussion.
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    Re: Megaupload file-sharing site shut down, founders charged

    Quote Originally Posted by 1Perry View Post
    This seems to enforce my earlier arguements that SOPA really wouldn't have done anything that couldn't already be done. All it was, was an attempt by D.C. to tell the monied interests that "they care". It wasn't the end to the internet as we know it.

    While they should get their day in court I support actions to stop piracy.
    I don't. There seems to be a constantly expanding idea of Intellectual Property which enters far into the area of monopolistic privileges to me. I think they have long been too expansive, but they really took off after the Uruguay GATT agreement. There are all sorts of ridiculous Intellectual Property rights to do with biological issues for example. Until this mess is sorted out I have a hard time sympathising with those bemoaning piracy, though I have little time for corporate-capitalism anyway.

    But I do agree with those who think anonymous sucks.
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    Re: Megaupload file-sharing site shut down, founders charged

    I think that companies should suck it up and go after individual users. This attempt to attack the problem without alienating the base isn't really fair and could end up hampering the progression of legal internet technology.

    At the same time, I think copyright law needs to be seriously edited. There is no justification, for example, for a term of life of the author plus 70 years.
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    Re: Megaupload file-sharing site shut down, founders charged

    Quote Originally Posted by Wessexman View Post
    I don't. There seems to be a constantly expanding idea of Intellectual Property which enters far into the area of monopolistic privileges to me. I think they have long been too expansive, but they really took off after the Uruguay GATT agreement. There are all sorts of ridiculous Intellectual Property rights to do with biological issues for example. Until this mess is sorted out I have a hard time sympathising with those bemoaning piracy, though I have little time for corporate-capitalism anyway.

    But I do agree with those who think anonymous sucks.
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    Re: Megaupload file-sharing site shut down, founders charged

    Quote Originally Posted by Krhazy View Post
    I think that companies should suck it up and go after individual users. This attempt to attack the problem without alienating the base isn't really fair and could end up hampering the progression of legal internet technology.

    At the same time, I think copyright law needs to be seriously edited. There is no justification, for example, for a term of life of the author plus 70 years.
    But this really isn't about people illegally downloading Glenn Miller.

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    Re: Megaupload file-sharing site shut down, founders charged

    Quote Originally Posted by Krhazy View Post
    I think that companies should suck it up and go after individual users. This attempt to attack the problem without alienating the base isn't really fair and could end up hampering the progression of legal internet technology.

    At the same time, I think copyright law needs to be seriously edited. There is no justification, for example, for a term of life of the author plus 70 years.
    Why isn't there? Doesn't property get passed down from one generation to another long after the original holder of the property rights dies? If I want to pass down my intellectual property to my kids, there is absolutely no legal argument of any kind one can make for why I shouldn't.
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    Re: Megaupload file-sharing site shut down, founders charged

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    Why isn't there? Doesn't property get passed down from one generation to another long after the original holder of the property rights dies?
    Yes, but copyrights work differently [hence the problem people have with the term "intellectual property"] - as by design they are meant to be limited, finite, a tradeoff - you make a work, have exclusive rights to it over X period of time, then it goes to the public domain to be reused, recycled, remixed, et cetera.

    "life + 70 yrs" [and watch as Steamboat Willy chugs closer to public domain as I bet Disney will lobby to have it extended yet again] may be finite, but not limited in the sense that people can in their lifetimes be able to freely access the work after a period of time.

    What Disney did, since I mentioned it, should have been done differently - lbby for a means of extending the rights to a work, that way works could still reasonably fall into fair use in time, but for those who want a little more time there would be a means of extending it without making it as crazy as it is now.

    I mean, theoretically if a prodigy makes a brilliant work, copyrights it age 15, lives to be 100, that work would be under copyright for 155 years total. [100-15 = 85 + 70 = 155].

    Who REALLY needs it that long? And furthermore, why, if copyright > 20 yrs was needed, couldn't it have been lobbied to make a per-work mechanism for extension instead of making everything remain under copyright for that much longer?
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    Re: Megaupload file-sharing site shut down, founders charged

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    Why isn't there? Doesn't property get passed down from one generation to another long after the original holder of the property rights dies? If I want to pass down my intellectual property to my kids, there is absolutely no legal argument of any kind one can make for why I shouldn't.
    Sure there is.

    To promote the Progress of Science and useful Arts, by securing for limited Times to Authors and Inventors the exclusive Right to their respective Writings and Discoveries;
    Article 1, Section 8, Clause 8, US Constitution

    The purpose of copyright is to incentivize the creation of intellectual works for the benefit of society. We accomplish this by giving creators a limited monopoly over the use of their creations. The scheme is completely different from the concept of personal property ownership. But even with personal property, you should be aware that nothing in the Constitution guarantees individuals a right to pass on property to whom they choose. That is considered a civil rather than a natural right.

    Personal and real property law does give individuals the power to bequest their property to others upon death. The law does not, however, give them the right to prohibit others from copying, adapting, etc. the property. That's another major difference.
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