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    Re: Megaupload file-sharing site shut down, founders charged

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    So Pete, you applaud criminals and don't trust law enforcement. You make tons of unsubstantiated claims, which apparently we are supposed to trust, because...well, just because, but that damn justice department, can't trust them...
    Unsubstantiated claims? Like what? That other sites have incentive based plans? Have you used Youtube the last decade?

    That movie companies release many DVDs in Russia before elsewhere and are complicit in illegal file sharing? That is a fact! Take the movie Immortals.. Official release date in the US is March 6th 2012. However they already released it in Russia.. aka region 5 around the 12th of January, and even worse, the morons sent out an Oscar preview (guessing special effects) in December, which of course was all over the net shortly after.

    I dont trust the Justice Department because they are just doing the bidding of the rights holders industry who refuse to change their ways. The problem is the law, not the actions of people... the laws are out of date and do not reflect the 21st century and need to be changed.

    If people had access to the rights holders products legally through the channels of distribution they want, then piracy would fall dramatically. If I had access to The Big Bang Theory hours after it airing in the US legally, then yes I would use that avenue, but I dont. I either have to wait weeks or months for it to come on local tv, or even longer on DVD, or download it illegally of the net. So I ask you this.. what is better, that I pay a buck to watch the newest episode of the Big Bang Theory online legally, or I steal the episode? Why cant the rights holders understand that we dont live in the 1980s any more? Why are they constantly blocking companies that want to provide the services people want? Spotify is a great example.. blocked for years in the US, but legal in most of Europe.. and it is the SAME rights holders!
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    Re: Megaupload file-sharing site shut down, founders charged

    Quote Originally Posted by PeteEU View Post
    I dont trust one word coming out of the US justice department on this since they are using near terrorist wording to justify world wide arrests on a US matter.

    First off, Megaupload is one of tons of similar services and frankly is rarely used now days for illegal things.. relative to others. Why? Because Megaupload were fast as hell to remove copyrighted content... ironic no? I loved megaupload/video because of their interface, but it was a matter of hours before stuff was removed from the site, so you had to be quick if you wanted to view your stories....

    Secondly, all sites have uploader rewards programs of some sort. Rapidshare, fileserve and so on all have a rewards program.. but it is based on the amount of downloads your upload gets, not based on what you upload. I doubt megaupload was any different. Youtube has a similar reward program.

    Thirdly, proving that they actually gave incentives to upload copyrighted works will be a bitch to prove unless they actually wrote it in their sales material, which I highly doubt they did.

    Fourthly.. people should worry big time. Everything from Youtube to iTunes is under threat from these arrests, not to mention every search engine out there. The internet is under serious threat if you can get arrested for providing services that some use for illegal purposes.. The fact that the US Justice department have to invoke near terrorist threat language to get foreign governments to help them is... frankly shocking.



    Hardly.. I fully support their attacks on the moron rights holders. It is time to change copyright laws to reflect the modern times we live in.

    Just as an example on how idiotic these rights holders are... anyone want a DVD copy of Warhorse and other oscar contenders? They are out there on the net because the rights holders have sent DVDs out to the members of the Motion Pictures of America for the Oscar show.. Or maybe the movie Immortals? it is out in R5.. aka Russian DVD, and long before it comes out on DVD elsewhere..

    Does it justify stealing? Of course not, but you cant come crying if you leave the freaking door unlocked. Provide the services to people and piracy will go down!
    You've hit the nail on the head in regards to Mega...and the implications for the rest of the Net. But I disagree with you in regard to Anonymous. Their actions were uncalled for, destructive, illegal and they should be hunted down and prosecuted.
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    Re: Megaupload file-sharing site shut down, founders charged

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    A different article with a few more details on this: Justice and FBI Crack Down on Megaupload.com - ABC News
    That quote actually changes my mind on the subject. This again makes it seem like they weren't specifically searching or working to pay people to put copy righted material up but rather that they simply paid people who uploaded a lot of things to their site that generated a lot of traffic.

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    Re: Megaupload file-sharing site shut down, founders charged

    Quote Originally Posted by Mycroft View Post
    But I disagree with you in regard to Anonymous. Their actions were uncalled for, destructive, illegal and they should be hunted down and prosecuted.
    Only if the politicians bought off by the media industry joins them in jail. And of course certain media executives like Rupert Murdoch. They are just as destructive if not much more than Anonymous ever can hope in being.
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    Re: Megaupload file-sharing site shut down, founders charged

    I always find it funny that people who don't really commercially produce anything of any artistic merit are the biggest supporters of illegal downloading and copyright infringement. How many people here on this website work in the movie industry? Maybe any web designers? No? Photographers? Paid musicians? Anybody here so much as make necklaces and market them under his/her name? No? I didn't think so.
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    Re: Megaupload file-sharing site shut down, founders charged

    I am mostly unfamiliar with megaupload and its readiness to remove content submitted as copyrighted. However, those grieving will find another several more avenues.
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    Re: Megaupload file-sharing site shut down, founders charged

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    I always find it funny that people who don't really commercially produce anything of any artistic merit are the biggest supporters of illegal downloading and copyright infringement.
    Or how those purporting that area of expertise come up with ridiculous strawmen against people - to the point of putting words in their mouthes.

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    How many people here on this website work in the movie industry? Maybe any web designers? No? Photographers? Paid musicians? Anybody here so much as make necklaces and market them under his/her name? No? I didn't think so.
    Most annoying "debating" technique ever.

    Making question after question, and answering them like that, and using that as if it "proves" your point when in actuality made a bunch of rehetorical remarks, and presumed FOR people - without letting them answer first - that your reaction is correct is NOT intelligent - it is petty, childish, and really makes you look like you'd rather shut the door in the face of real debate rather than even try.

    Lots of artists, programmers, etc here - not that you'd let anybody point that out.

    In response to another post you made on the subject - forgot which thread - you did not, nor ever REALLY have beaten "copyright infringers" in debate here, you just accuse people of supporting it when their ideals don't match, create ridiculously stupid strawmen like the above quoted, misconstrue arguments and flat out refuse to hear anything other TO THE POINT where people just give up.

    Face it, you may have very valid points, but until you actually convey it without attacking people, putting their words in their mouthes, and in a manner where ideas can be exchanged without people throwing their hands up and giving up, or banging their head against a ****ing wall, you won't win the intellectual side of a debate on the issue for your life.
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    Re: Megaupload file-sharing site shut down, founders charged

    Quote Originally Posted by PeteEU View Post
    Only if the politicians bought off by the media industry joins them in jail. And of course certain media executives like Rupert Murdoch. They are just as destructive if not much more than Anonymous ever can hope in being.
    LOL!!!

    Okay. When it's illegal to buy off politicians, I might agree with you...but then again, I might not.
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    Re: Megaupload file-sharing site shut down, founders charged

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    I always find it funny that people who don't really commercially produce anything of any artistic merit are the biggest supporters of illegal downloading and copyright infringement. How many people here on this website work in the movie industry? Maybe any web designers? No? Photographers? Paid musicians? Anybody here so much as make necklaces and market them under his/her name? No? I didn't think so.
    I wouldn't know about all of those things, but I think we have some paid musicians. Honestly, I'm not terribly upset about this site specifically since I have no real involvement with it, but more in the precedent that has been set for the government to engage in draconian tactics to police the net. What gets me upset is when YouTube removes the OP video for an animé (containing at most half of the actual song and none of the actual show) on the basis of copyright infringement. You would have to be pretty dense or insanely dickish to think that is a logical approach to copyright laws. Would a site that refused to remove such videos be subject to similar measures? Most likely.
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    Re: Megaupload file-sharing site shut down, founders charged

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    I always find it funny that people who don't really commercially produce anything of any artistic merit are the biggest supporters of illegal downloading and copyright infringement. How many people here on this website work in the movie industry? Maybe any web designers? No? Photographers? Paid musicians? Anybody here so much as make necklaces and market them under his/her name? No? I didn't think so.
    I'ts good to know we should degrade and ignore your input on any matters of law enforcement or the military since I dont believe you've worked in either field ever.

    Also, which people in here have stated in thread they're in favor of illegal downloading?

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