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    Re: Megaupload file-sharing site shut down, founders charged

    I think what he's getting at is the following...

    That Megaupload pays some people on 3rd party sites specifically to upload illegal content onto the Megaupload site and to provide links to that content on those 3rd party sites. This then drives traffic to megaupload and hopefully encourages people to pay for their subscription service to be able to download all the content, while at the same time allowing megaupload not to have to advertise said illegal content on their site directly or make it easily accessible.

    By paying the 3rd party people to upload and advertise it on the 3rd party sites, it essentially makes it to where megaupload (if the payments weren't discovered) could claim that they weren't promoting the use of their site for illegal content because they weren't advertising it or providing easy ways for people to find it.

    Lets put this a different way (Based just off the charge).

    Lets say you have a shop that sells stuff that useful for doing drugs, but those items themselves aren't illegal. They are sold as art pieces or tobacco pipes or other sort of things. This shop can't go out and go "Hey, come by our pipes, its great for smoking pot!" because they'd actively be promoting that their stores items are to be used for illegal activities.

    However, to get around this, they go to a few drug dealers and go "Look, we'll pay you all $X amount of dollars a month. What we want you to do is use the area around our store as the location to do your transactions so that the people will then be likely to come in here and buy the supplies they need".

    Essentially, using this 3rd party to attract the customers to their store to use them for illicite purposes.

    Not a perfect analogy but that's kind of what they seem to be alleging in this case...right redress?

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    Re: Megaupload file-sharing site shut down, founders charged

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    Also, wrestling is a wonderful example of a sector that would likely be better helped by likely spending the time and energy they spend on fighting piracy to instead research and initiate new business models that take into effect the current content era that we live in and viewer expectations regarding the value of their product. I doubt many people would honestly prefer to watch a grainy, choppy feed on a 19" SD monitor over a nice HD feed coming through on their 42" LCD in the comfort of their living room....but the latter experience isn't worth the $50 bucks more than the former. Not to mention when you have 104+ shows a year live and free, and that's just counting the two big live shows of the main company and not side shows/shows from other companies, the incentive and desire to spend that $50 twelve times a year in this economy is also lowered.

    This does not justify pirates at all, however I think it is more an indictment of the inability to grasp customer trends and the realities of the modern distribution age on the part of aging companies.
    April though. Word is WWE network subscribers will get some of the PPVs on the network instead of having to pay for the PPV.

    Getting offtopic tho~
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    Re: Megaupload file-sharing site shut down, founders charged

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    April though. Word is WWE network subscribers will get some of the PPVs on the network instead of having to pay for the PPV.

    Getting offtopic tho~
    Wrestling entertainment has sucked massively since the demise of WCW, never been a fan of WWE.
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    Re: Megaupload file-sharing site shut down, founders charged

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    I think what he's getting at is the following...

    That Megaupload pays some people on 3rd party sites specifically to upload illegal content onto the Megaupload site and to provide links to that content on those 3rd party sites. This then drives traffic to megaupload and hopefully encourages people to pay for their subscription service to be able to download all the content, while at the same time allowing megaupload not to have to advertise said illegal content on their site directly or make it easily accessible.

    By paying the 3rd party people to upload and advertise it on the 3rd party sites, it essentially makes it to where megaupload (if the payments weren't discovered) could claim that they weren't promoting the use of their site for illegal content because they weren't advertising it or providing easy ways for people to find it.

    Lets put this a different way (Based just off the charge).

    Lets say you have a shop that sells stuff that useful for doing drugs, but those items themselves aren't illegal. They are sold as art pieces or tobacco pipes or other sort of things. This shop can't go out and go "Hey, come by our pipes, its great for smoking pot!" because they'd actively be promoting that their stores items are to be used for illegal activities.

    However, to get around this, they go to a few drug dealers and go "Look, we'll pay you all $X amount of dollars a month. What we want you to do is use the area around our store as the location to do your transactions so that the people will then be likely to come in here and buy the supplies they need".

    Essentially, using this 3rd party to attract the customers to their store to use them for illicite purposes.

    Not a perfect analogy but that's kind of what they seem to be alleging in this case...right redress?
    Yeah, I don't much like the anology, but the description at the beginning is how I understand the charges.

    Let's say that Mega(assuming the charges are accurate) is paying people to upload and promote copywritten material. One of those guys came here, would use either the Basement or Tavern(to avoid search engines, making it hard for the owners of the copywrites to find), make posts with direct links to the megaupload file pages(so megaupload doesn't have to be searchable, again making it hard for those owning the copywrite to police it). People from here would go to Megaupload, and potentially be enticed to pay the fee for download ability. Now it probably won't happen here as we do not get enough traffic. The site I see it at has over 3 times as many people online as we have. We just would not provide enough traffic.

    In some ways it is pretty clever and highlights the problem with trying to police copywrite law. The tactics employed by the pirates constantly changes and adapts.
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    Re: Megaupload file-sharing site shut down, founders charged

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    Wrestling entertainment has sucked massively since the demise of WCW, never been a fan of WWE.
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    Re: Megaupload file-sharing site shut down, founders charged

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    Re: Megaupload file-sharing site shut down, founders charged

    A different article with a few more details on this: Justice and FBI Crack Down on Megaupload.com - ABC News

    The indictment returned by a grand jury in Virginia alleges, "In exchange for payment, the Mega Conspiracy provides the fast reproduction and distribution of infringing copies of copyrighted works from its computer servers located around the world. Premium users of the site... are able to download and upload files with few, if any, limitations."


    Describing the operation of the site and relations with users the indictment noted, "For much of its operation, the Mega Conspiracy has offered an 'Uploader Rewards' Program, which promised premium subscribers transfers of cash and other financial incentives to upload popular works, including copyrighted works, to computer servers under the Mega Conspiracy's direct control and for the Conspiracy's ultimate financial benefit."
    Also, proving once again that Anonymous are assholes:

    An hour after the indictment was announced, the Justice Department's website, www.Justice.gov, came under cyberattack with a denial-of-service attack. Anonymous, the hacktivist computer group, is claiming responsibility.
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    Re: Megaupload file-sharing site shut down, founders charged

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    A different article with a few more details on this: Justice and FBI Crack Down on Megaupload.com - ABC News
    I dont trust one word coming out of the US justice department on this since they are using near terrorist wording to justify world wide arrests on a US matter.

    First off, Megaupload is one of tons of similar services and frankly is rarely used now days for illegal things.. relative to others. Why? Because Megaupload were fast as hell to remove copyrighted content... ironic no? I loved megaupload/video because of their interface, but it was a matter of hours before stuff was removed from the site, so you had to be quick if you wanted to view your stories....

    Secondly, all sites have uploader rewards programs of some sort. Rapidshare, fileserve and so on all have a rewards program.. but it is based on the amount of downloads your upload gets, not based on what you upload. I doubt megaupload was any different. Youtube has a similar reward program.

    Thirdly, proving that they actually gave incentives to upload copyrighted works will be a bitch to prove unless they actually wrote it in their sales material, which I highly doubt they did.

    Fourthly.. people should worry big time. Everything from Youtube to iTunes is under threat from these arrests, not to mention every search engine out there. The internet is under serious threat if you can get arrested for providing services that some use for illegal purposes.. The fact that the US Justice department have to invoke near terrorist threat language to get foreign governments to help them is... frankly shocking.

    Also, proving once again that Anonymous are assholes:
    Hardly.. I fully support their attacks on the moron rights holders. It is time to change copyright laws to reflect the modern times we live in.

    Just as an example on how idiotic these rights holders are... anyone want a DVD copy of Warhorse and other oscar contenders? They are out there on the net because the rights holders have sent DVDs out to the members of the Motion Pictures of America for the Oscar show.. Or maybe the movie Immortals? it is out in R5.. aka Russian DVD, and long before it comes out on DVD elsewhere..

    Does it justify stealing? Of course not, but you cant come crying if you leave the freaking door unlocked. Provide the services to people and piracy will go down!
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    Re: Megaupload file-sharing site shut down, founders charged

    So Pete, you applaud criminals and don't trust law enforcement. You make tons of unsubstantiated claims, which apparently we are supposed to trust, because...well, just because, but that damn justice department, can't trust them...
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    Re: Megaupload file-sharing site shut down, founders charged

    This seems to enforce my earlier arguements that SOPA really wouldn't have done anything that couldn't already be done. All it was, was an attempt by D.C. to tell the monied interests that "they care". It wasn't the end to the internet as we know it.

    While they should get their day in court I support actions to stop piracy.

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