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    Re: Exclusive: Gingrich Lacks Moral Character to Be President, Ex-Wife Says

    Quote Originally Posted by misterman View Post
    Did a majority of Republicans vote Yes?

    If so, what the hell is your point?

    My point is that you can't blame the reprimand on Democrats or claim that it was just a political plot. To say otherwise would be "utterly dishonest."

    Good Grief....It almost feels like your channeling of Alinsky is complete...lol...Here is a clue, politicians are political, and do things, cast votes, and such based on what is going to aid their ability to hold office...I know that is a shocker right?

    Demo's fabricated some 84 ethics charges against Newt, then proceeded to attack anyone who defended him to the point where it was effecting their re election campaigns. So they weaseled out and voted to save themselves.

    Now, today you want to rely on peoples memory being fuzzy on the facts of the time, and paint a picture that has NO basis in fact, or reality, and you have the gall to call me dishonest?....heh, heh....Good one Saul.

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    Re: Exclusive: Gingrich Lacks Moral Character to Be President, Ex-Wife Says

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Good Grief....It almost feels like your channeling of Alinsky is complete...lol...Here is a clue, politicians are political, and do things, cast votes, and such based on what is going to aid their ability to hold office...I know that is a shocker right?

    Demo's fabricated some 84 ethics charges against Newt, then proceeded to attack anyone who defended him to the point where it was effecting their re election campaigns. So they weaseled out and voted to save themselves.

    Now, today you want to rely on peoples memory being fuzzy on the facts of the time, and paint a picture that has NO basis in fact, or reality, and you have the gall to call me dishonest?....heh, heh....Good one Saul.

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    So, let me get this straight - your pathetic, slimy excuse is that the overwhelming majority of Republicans who voted for this were just being pathetic, slimy politicians and didn't really vote what they believed, and this makes their votes not really matter, but that doesn't apply to Democrats of course.

    Wow, you really are the kind of guy who will say anything to excuse your party or "win" a debate, no matter how much you have to demean yourself or deny reality or any of that.
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    Re: Exclusive: Gingrich Lacks Moral Character to Be President, Ex-Wife Says

    As I predicted prior to S.C. vote, his ex-wife again trying to trash Gingrich would help him. EVERYONE knows that exs always trash talk about the other. Since most people have experienced that, I think there is a lot of empathy for him. Added to that is (surprisingly) she didn't even claim "mental abuse" or ANY corruption of any kind.

    I think as soon as people hear "Ex-wife claims she will keep her ex-husband from winning an election," people immediately discounted her. That is an entirely predictable of an ex and most people have the attitude that exs should "get on with his/her life." In short, it helped Gingrich.

    Democrats screaming "hypocrite! hypocrite!" doesn't change anything and are worthless words. He is not a hypocrite to evangelical conservatives. He is a sinner like everyone who has been redeemed by his confession, acknowledgment it was wrong, and declared his faith in God to forgive him, asking (but not demanding) people to also forgive him. That's a real winner in evangelical Christianity.

    What most infuriates many Democrats is they have their own conception of what being an "evangelical Christian" means and then are outraged that they don't meet the standards they want to use for their own Democratic partisan advantage. They truly cannot grasp that the truly succeed and be accepted an a true believer a person also really needed to have been a real sinner. You can't even be saved until you confession you are a hellbound sinner in evangelical Christianity. The great "sin" of Clinton was denying and lying about being a sinner (lying about the affair). His popularity came back up only after he admitted it and admitted it was wrong.
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    Re: Exclusive: Gingrich Lacks Moral Character to Be President, Ex-Wife Says

    Quote Originally Posted by misterman View Post
    So, let me get this straight - your pathetic, slimy excuse is that the overwhelming majority of Republicans who voted for this were just being pathetic, slimy politicians and didn't really vote what they believed, and this makes their votes not really matter, but that doesn't apply to Democrats of course.

    Wow, you really are the kind of guy who will say anything to excuse your party or "win" a debate, no matter how much you have to demean yourself or deny reality or any of that.

    Ok, so I won? Yea!


    Now, bow naive....


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    Re: Exclusive: Gingrich Lacks Moral Character to Be President, Ex-Wife Says

    Example?

    A young woman I know was always perfect behavior “Christian-ny” and highly active in church. Extremely well liked. Then she disappeared and soon it learned she was leading anything but a Christian lifestyle. Sex out of marriage, even child out of marriage, bisexuality approaching swinging, drugs, alcohol, swearing.

    Then one day she was back in church and before the group confessed, even that she was still doing those things but was trying to stop or at least cut back. The congregation leap to their feet rushing forward with a mobbing group hug of hundreds of people – declaring how much they love her and how much God loves her no matter how much she sinned.

    She confessed and she acknowledged God/Jesus as her Savior – that’s all it takes..

    She was their favorite little lost sheep and even if still really sinning a lot at least she had come back to the flock. That even made her more valuable and admired than before. Previously she had been perfect. But now she was REDEEMED!

    It may shock people to know that even in the most strict evangelical churches, probably at least 1/4th of couples are living together out-of-marriage. Yet that shouldn't surprise anyone who understands the religion.

    People who aren’t evangelicals really don’t understand the religion. Sinning is most definitely condemned. But committing sins also is an integral necessity of it. The most a person sinned, the more that person can be redeemed. That element, combined with that most people see an ex still trashing her ex-husband a decade later as dispicable, lead to the topic of his ex wife and divorce equating to positives for Gingrich - plus that distracted from the legitimate negatives against him.
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    Re: Exclusive: Gingrich Lacks Moral Character to Be President, Ex-Wife Says

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Ok, so I won?
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    Re: Exclusive: Gingrich Lacks Moral Character to Be President, Ex-Wife Says


    Awwww...Don't pout dude....


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    Re: Exclusive: Gingrich Lacks Moral Character to Be President, Ex-Wife Says

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Awwww...Don't pout dude....
    Not pouting. You didn't actually win, you just talked yourself into believing it. It's how people like you convince yourself that losing a vote by 395-28 is a "win." Talking yourself into that is what makes it a pyrrhic "victory." It rots your mind, among other things.
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    Re: Exclusive: Gingrich Lacks Moral Character to Be President, Ex-Wife Says

    Quote Originally Posted by misterman View Post
    Not pouting. You didn't actually win, you just talked yourself into believing it. It's how people like you convince yourself that losing a vote by 395-28 is a "win." Talking yourself into that is what makes it a pyrrhic "victory." It rots your mind, among other things.
    Heh...
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    Re: Exclusive: Gingrich Lacks Moral Character to Be President, Ex-Wife Says

    Quote Originally Posted by joko104 View Post
    What most infuriates many Democrats is they have their own conception of what being an "evangelical Christian" means and then are outraged that they don't meet the standards they want to use for their own Democratic partisan advantage. They truly cannot grasp that the truly succeed and be accepted an a true believer a person also really needed to have been a real sinner. You can't even be saved until you confession you are a hellbound sinner in evangelical Christianity. The great "sin" of Clinton was denying and lying about being a sinner (lying about the affair). His popularity came back up only after he admitted it and admitted it was wrong.
    Thats a good point....but I'd like to take it further

    Our current social programs, and those proposed in the future, are defended as some how being Christian charity to those in need. That we are a wealthy nation and it is our duty to give out of our largess to those "less fortunate". When a conservative Christian says no, he/she is accused of being "un-Christian" and lacking in charity. Nothing could be further from the truth. If you adhere to a having a religious or social duty to give to others in need, go for it. It is an INDIVIDUAL duty and you don't have the right to impose it on others. Not religiously, and not secularly. A Christian who gives to charity in this world, stores up treasure in the next. That is a stated Biblical principal. But having it taken from you, against your will, is not a voluntary giving and it isn't charity. No heavenly points. This is the crucial difference between conservative and liberal charity. Conservatives give their own away, and quite generously too according to the statistics. Liberals TAKE from others and give it away. Also quite generously, even though their OWN giving has been documented to be very small.

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