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Keystone oil sands pipeline rejected - Jan. 18, 2012

The Obama administration rejected a bid to expand the controversial Keystone oil sands pipeline Wednesday, saying the deadline imposed by congress did not leave sufficient time to conduct the necessary review.

"The rushed and arbitrary deadline insisted on by Congressional Republicans prevented a full assessment of the pipeline's impact, especially the health and safety of the American people, as well as our environment," Obama said in a statement.


The pipeline may not be dead though. The State Department, which was tasked with issuing the permit, said "the Department's denial of the permit application does not preclude any subsequent permit application or applications for similar projects."


The 1700-mile long pipeline expansion, intended to carry crude oil from Canada's oil sands to the U.S. Gulf Coast, has become a lightening rod in American politics.

The story is just starting to break, but this is great news for people living in the regions that would be affected by this. The pipeline would have moved through very ecologically sensitive areas and the public was not consulted on this.

Looks like the protesting paid off. It might still get the nod in further applications - and probably after the election - but at least for now the environment is that much safer.
 
Wait a second... "The rushed and arbitrary deadline insisted upon by Congressional Republicans...." ....wasn't it the Senate bill with the Keystone requirement that was passed and signed by Obama just a short while ago?
 
It was the bill with the pipeline deadline that Republicans insisted on.
 
I really wish congress and the president would stop playing chicken about things, such as this pipeline or the budget or taxes, etc.

Grow up people and try to actually govern the country.
 
Of course he rejected it. Its job creation that doesn't cost $1.5 million in federal spending for every $50-70k per year job. Gotta stay consistent here.
 
Keystone oil sands pipeline rejected - Jan. 18, 2012



The story is just starting to break, but this is great news for people living in the regions that would be affected by this. The pipeline would have moved through very ecologically sensitive areas and the public was not consulted on this.

Looks like the protesting paid off. It might still get the nod in further applications - and probably after the election - but at least for now the environment is that much safer.
I hope they are permanently stopped. Not because of any environmental nonsense but because the fact the company is trying to use eminent domain.No private company should ever be allowed to use eminent domain especially a foreign owned one.And eminent domain should only be used by the state to build highways and roads and nothing else.School,hospitals and municipal buildings can be easily relocated or redesigned.

Keystone XL Pipeline Relies on Eminent Domain for Success
 
Thank goodness! What would we do with 20,000 jobs this year and an estimated 100,000 jobs by 2015? And why would we want to get oil from Canada - don't we have a deal with the Saudi's and the ME? And somehow I think they could find a route that would avoid the Eminent Domain issue - but that's just too much damned work. Let's just keep the status quo of sending our $100+ a barrel over to the ME.
 
Thank goodness! What would we do with 20,000 jobs this year and an estimated 100,000 jobs by 2015? And why would we want to get oil from Canada - don't we have a deal with the Saudi's and the ME? And somehow I think they could find a route that would avoid the Eminent Domain issue - but that's just too much damned work. Let's just keep the status quo of sending our $100+ a barrel over to the ME.

No company should be allowed to use eminent domain period,especially a foreign owned company.
 
No company should be allowed to use eminent domain period,especially a foreign owned company.

They can use the concept of "going around".
 
They can use the concept of "going around".

They didn't do that.

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/10/18/u...omain-fight-over-pipeline.html?pagewanted=all
A Canadian company has been threatening to confiscate private land from South Dakota to the Gulf of Mexico, and is already suing many who have refused to allow the Keystone XL pipeline on their property even though the controversial project has yet to receive federal approval.
Randy Thompson, a cattle buyer in Nebraska, was informed that if he did not grant pipeline access to 80 of the 400 acres left to him by his mother along the Platte River, “Keystone will use eminent domain to acquire the easement.” Sue Kelso and her large extended family in Oklahoma were sued in the local district court by TransCanada, the pipeline company, after she and her siblings refused to allow the pipeline to cross their pasture.

“Their land agent told us the very first day she met with us, you either take the money or they’re going to condemn the land,” Mrs. Kelso said.

Nebraska lawmakers debate pipeline eminent domain rules | Reuters
Can a Company Based in Canada Use Eminent Domain in Oklahoma? - NewsOn6.com - Tulsa, OK - News, Weather, Video and Sports - KOTV.com |
Oklahoma Family Wins Battle Against Oil Company - NewsOn6.com - Tulsa, OK - News, Weather, Video and Sports - KOTV.com |
 
Keystone oil sands pipeline rejected - Jan. 18, 2012



The story is just starting to break, but this is great news for people living in the regions that would be affected by this. The pipeline would have moved through very ecologically sensitive areas and the public was not consulted on this.

Looks like the protesting paid off. It might still get the nod in further applications - and probably after the election - but at least for now the environment is that much safer.
This is wonderful news, the claim of 20,000 jobs is bogus. Plus the fuel produced would be destined for export, not for domestic consumption.
 
Keystone oil sands pipeline rejected - Jan. 18, 2012



The story is just starting to break, but this is great news for people living in the regions that would be affected by this. The pipeline would have moved through very ecologically sensitive areas and the public was not consulted on this.

Looks like the protesting paid off. It might still get the nod in further applications - and probably after the election - but at least for now the environment is that much safer.

Right, because shipping the oil overseas is better for the environment. Just because the fringe left in America doesn't want jobs doesn't mean Canada won't still drill, pipe, and now ship the oil. The only thing shutting this project down does is prevent jobs from coming to America.

Oh, and it gives Republicans a fantastic talking point going into the general election.
 
Right, because shipping the oil overseas is better for the environment. Just because the fringe left in America doesn't want jobs doesn't mean Canada won't still drill, pipe, and now ship the oil. The only thing shutting this project down does is prevent jobs from coming to America.

Oh, and it gives Republicans a fantastic talking point going into the general election.

The talking point is that it was a pure political play by Republicans. They were told in advance that the deadline they chose was too short to complete the review, and that it would thus have to be rejected. That's about as transparent as Obama's decision to put it off until after the election. Looks like offsetting penalties to me.
 
Canada will just build the pipe to it's western shores and make deals with the Chinese. Jobs, Money all gone. Canada and China will rep the benefits.
 
The talking point is that it was a pure political play by Republicans. They were told in advance that the deadline they chose was too short to complete the review, and that it would thus have to be rejected. That's about as transparent as Obama's decision to put it off until after the election. Looks like offsetting penalties to me.

Yep, the repubs shot themselves in the foot, even though they were told this would happen. It just shows that they don't believe or care about "energy independence" or creating jobs. They don't care much about eminent domain either.
 
Right, because shipping the oil overseas is better for the environment. Just because the fringe left in America doesn't want jobs doesn't mean Canada won't still drill, pipe, and now ship the oil. The only thing shutting this project down does is prevent jobs from coming to America.

Oh, and it gives Republicans a fantastic talking point going into the general election.
The estimation is for 20,000 man years, that could mean 5,000 jobs for 4 years or 4,000 jobs for 5 years or some other combination.
 
The talking point is that it was a pure political play by Republicans. They were told in advance that the deadline they chose was too short to complete the review, and that it would thus have to be rejected. That's about as transparent as Obama's decision to put it off until after the election. Looks like offsetting penalties to me.

They've been reviewing this for three YEARS, the only talking point here is that two months wasn't "long enough"
 
Canada will just build the pipe to it's western shores and make deals with the Chinese. Jobs, Money all gone. Canada and China will rep the benefits.

Have you ever been to, or flown over, the Canadian Rockies? I don't think they're building any pipeline to their western shore.
 
They've been reviewing this for three YEARS, the only talking point here is that two months wasn't "long enough"

The plan was recently changed, requiring new reviews. The reviews of a 3 year old plan they now weren't going to implement are irrelevant
 
Have you ever been to, or flown over, the Canadian Rockies? I don't think they're building any pipeline to their western shore.

MrV thinks the canadians could build it but decided not to for some unexplained reason

Damn those canucks sure are polite!! :roll:
 
Have you ever been to, or flown over, the Canadian Rockies? I don't think they're building any pipeline to their western shore.

Problem is you don't bother to understand the facts before you speak:
Shifting the path to avoid a major aquifer could increase the number of perilous stream crossings and put the line closer to populated areas. Major changes also risk alienating pipeline supporters, who tout the economic benefits of creating thousands of jobs. And the most vocal opponents plan to keep up their fight regardless of the route.

The obstacles are tall enough, some observers say, that Canada's oil-sands industry could even decide to bypass U.S. markets altogether and sell fuel directly to China using a pipeline through western Canada to the shores of the Pacific.
Translation, they've all ready started to consider alternatives, including a WESTERN pipeline. Now they'll do it.

Change in pipeline plan could present new problems - Boston.com
 
Thank goodness! What would we do with 20,000 jobs this year and an estimated 100,000 jobs by 2015? [...]


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Problem is you don't bother to understand the facts before you speak:

Translation, they've all ready started to consider alternatives, including a WESTERN pipeline. Now they'll do it.

Change in pipeline plan could present new problems - Boston.com

No, you don't seem to understand what you've read. It takes years between "considering alternatives" and "building another pipeline". The idea that the canadians are going to turn around and "voila!" there's a pipeline is nonsense
 
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