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Keystone oil sands pipeline rejected

Well maybe they could open an honest to god refinery up in the Northern US...oh wait, environmental concerns have kept that from happening for years.

Im curious about what they are going to do with that pipeline when they approach Missouri and Illinois because there is water a mere 20 feet down and maybe 6 inches of hardpan and thats pretty much everywhere that is plains territory.
 
I would recommend you look at the TransCanada website...then attempt to state the above again.
Keystone Pipeline Map






I take it you decided not to read the information because it says "Blog" in the link, perhaps you might actually open it?

The map is out of date, just like you are:

Keystone XL rerouted to bypass Sandhills region
Posted on November 15, 2011

On Monday, TransCanada Corp. announced that it reached an agreement with the Nebraska state government to amend the route of the proposed Keystone XL pipeline to bypass the Sandhills region, an environmentally sensitive area that sits atop the heavily-utilized Ogallala Aquifer. As part of the agreement, the state will fund studies to evaluate alternative routes.

Today, the Nebraska state legislature will consider the proposed law that will direct the Nebraska Department of Environmental Quality to prepare a supplemental environmental impact statement for the Nebraska Governor.

This development follows last week’s U.S. State Department ruling that required TransCanada to examine new routes, as well as an earlier announcement by President Obama indicating that the decision whether to approve Keystone XL would be delayed until after the 2012 Presidential elections. A U.S. State Department spokesman indicated that any agreement between the state of Nebraska and TransCanada will not alter the review process undertaken by the federal agency.
Keystone XL rerouted to bypass Sandhills region : Canadian Energy Law
 
At the same site that you linked to:

Media Advisory - State of Nebraska to Play Major Role in Defining New Keystone XL Route Away From the Sandhills

Lincoln, Nebraska - November 14, 2011 - TransCanada Corporation (TSX, NYSE: TRP) (TransCanada) today announced it supports proposed legislation within the State of Nebraska to move the Keystone XL pipeline project forward. This legislation, introduced earlier today in the State legislature, if passed, will ensure a pipeline route will be developed in Nebraska that avoids the Sandhills.

"I am pleased to tell you that the positive conversations we have had with Nebraska leaders have resulted in legislation that respects the concerns of Nebraskans and supports the development of the Keystone XL pipeline," said Alex Pourbaix, TransCanada's president, Energy and Oil Pipelines. "I can confirm the route will be changed and Nebraskans will play an important role in determining the final route."

Working together with the State Department, Nebraska's Department of Environmental Quality will conduct an environmental assessment to define the best location for Keystone XL in Nebraska. We will cooperate with these agencies and provide them with the information they need to complete a thorough review that addresses concerns regarding the Sandhills region.

Now, tell me again..............what were you saying about someone's lack of research ?????
 
What do you think would happen to the oil when it reached the Gulf Coast? Are they going to use it all in Biloxi?

Refine it into a thousand different products.

That's right, it will be refined and then transported over land and sea -- just as it would be if it was refined in the mid west.
 
That's right, it will be refined and then transported over land and sea -- just as it would be if it was refined in the mid west.

Do you have a point ??
 
Yo Gill, since you claim to be a construction engineer, maybe you can tell me what this construction engineer is trying to say?

There has been a lot of talk about the safety of the proposed Keystone XL pipeline.

I am not an environmentalist, but as a civil engineer and an inspector for TransCanada during the construction of the first Keystone pipeline, I've had an uncomfortable front-row seat to the disaster that Keystone XL could bring about all along its pathway.

Despite its boosters' advertising, this project is not about jobs or energy security. It is about money. And whenever my former employer Bechtel, working on behalf of TransCanada, had to choose between safety and saving money, they chose to save money.

As an inspector, my job was to monitor the construction of the first Keystone pipeline. I oversaw construction at the pump stations that have been such a problem on that line, which has already spilled more than a dozen times. I am coming forward because my kids encouraged me to tell the truth about what was done and covered up.

When I last raised concerns about corners being cut, I lost my job — but people along the Keystone XL pathway have a lot more to lose if this project moves forward with the same shoddy work.

What did I see? Cheap foreign steel that cracked when workers tried to weld it, foundations for pump stations that you would never consider using in your own home, fudged safety tests, Bechtel staffers explaining away leaks during pressure tests as "not too bad," shortcuts on the steel and rebar that are essential for safe pipeline operation and siting of facilities on completely inappropriate spots like wetlands.

I shared these concerns with my bosses, who communicated them to the bigwigs at TransCanada, but nothing changed. TransCanada didn't appear to care. That is why I was not surprised to hear about the big spill in Ludden, N.D., where a 60-foot plume of crude spewed tens of thousands of gallons of toxic tar sands oil and fouled neighboring fields.


Read more: Mike Klink: Keystone XL pipeline not safe
 
Yo Gill, since you claim to be a construction engineer, maybe you can tell me what this construction engineer is trying to say?

He's trying to say there are problems that need to be fixed. Sounds pretty obvious to me.
 
He's trying to say there are problems that need to be fixed. Sounds pretty obvious to me.

Yeah, that's what I thought. Sounds like this project needs an extensive review process, right?
 
Yeah, that's what I thought. Sounds like this project needs an extensive review process, right?

Sounds like if there are problems, they need to be fixed..........just like on any construction project.
 
Those numbers during Obama's 36 months in office have only occurred 9 times. I do consider that paltry and inconsequential when compared to the monthly job losses during the rest of his term.

Pretty much tells the story...
 

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Well maybe they could open an honest to god refinery up in the Northern US...oh wait, environmental concerns have kept that from happening for years.

Im curious about what they are going to do with that pipeline when they approach Missouri and Illinois because there is water a mere 20 feet down and maybe 6 inches of hardpan and thats pretty much everywhere that is plains territory.

Have you ever been in an oil refinery? Most refineries have plenty of land and they just keep expanding to meet the market demand. That right-wing notion of needing new oil refineries is ridiculous. That crap was started by the oil companies to excuse their price gouging. The oil companies have been trying to sell their refineries and many have been idled and closed.

The one place that really need one was Arizona, but it doesn't have a crude supply. Arizona gets product from refineries in California via pipeline.

You aren't going to find investors wanting to build an oil refinery, because people who have those large sums of money aren't going to waste it on a stupid idea.

Your talking points about environmental concerns are meaningless.
 
Pretty much tells the story...

And yet the unemployment rate has gone from 7.5% when Obama took office to 10% today. Doesn't matter how many jobs have been added, only how many are working.
 
And yet the unemployment rate has gone from 7.5% when Obama took office to 10% today. Doesn't matter how many jobs have been added, only how many are working.

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Do you have some comment or are you just trolling as you usually do ??
The comment is self evident (there are two, actually). However, if I were trolling, you shouldn't bite on the hook ;)
 


The website is actually not only current, as is the map, it is the TransCanada site, as is the map. As of right now, that map is as up to date as possible, primarily because the "Rerouting" you so clearly understand is a done deal, is not only far from reality in the physical sense, it has yet to even be studied by the state dept:

"On Monday, TransCanada Corp. announced that it reached an agreement with the Nebraska state government to amend the route of the proposed Keystone XL pipeline to bypass the Sandhills region, an environmentally sensitive area that sits atop the heavily-utilized Ogallala Aquifer. As part of the agreement, the state will fund studies to evaluate alternative routes.

Today, the Nebraska state legislature will consider the proposed law that will direct the Nebraska Department of Environmental Quality to prepare a supplemental environmental impact statement for the Nebraska Governor.

This development follows last week’s U.S. State Department ruling that required TransCanada to examine new routes, as well as an earlier announcement by President Obama indicating that the decision whether to approve Keystone XL would be delayed until after the 2012 Presidential elections. A U.S. State Department spokesman indicated that any agreement between the state of Nebraska and TransCanada will not alter the review process undertaken by the federal agency."
-from your own link, by the way, there is more to research than a cut and paste lob...you need to not only READ the data, you should probably understand it.
 
And where is the harm in that? Let China spend their trillions developing the technology and then Americans, or whomever, can improve on it.

That's what has been happing with technology forever, and it is not a bad thing. There us no shame in letting others develop first and then building on that. And it would be interesting to see China complain about any 'piracy' as a result of others copying their advancements.
LOL! Well, I can't argue with that too much but at the same time I'm not sure I would want our products ten years from now to be compared to China's now.

NASA should be auctioned off. There is no longer any need for its existence.
Do you feel the same way about the FAA and NHTSA? If so, then we'll have to agree to disagree. If not, then maybe you should look a little farther down the road.

I'm also not sure I want some non-government agency training our astronauts. Are you willing to put military officers under private control like that?



And yet the unemployment rate has gone from 7.5% when Obama took office to 10% today. Doesn't matter how many jobs have been added, only how many are working.
Com'on - if we're going to quote numbers then let's get them right: Bureau of Labor Statistics Data

Unemployment Jan 2009: 7.8%
Unemployment Dec 2011: 8.5%

And I'm sure you won't be blaming all that on Obama? You do understand it's the biggest economic upheaval since 1930 and wasn't started by him?
 
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The website is actually not only current, as is the map, it is the TransCanada site, as is the map. As of right now, that map is as up to date as possible, primarily because the "Rerouting" you so clearly understand is a done deal, is not only far from reality in the physical sense, it has yet to even be studied by the state dept:

"On Monday, TransCanada Corp. announced that it reached an agreement with the Nebraska state government to amend the route of the proposed Keystone XL pipeline to bypass the Sandhills region, an environmentally sensitive area that sits atop the heavily-utilized Ogallala Aquifer. As part of the agreement, the state will fund studies to evaluate alternative routes.

Today, the Nebraska state legislature will consider the proposed law that will direct the Nebraska Department of Environmental Quality to prepare a supplemental environmental impact statement for the Nebraska Governor.

This development follows last week’s U.S. State Department ruling that required TransCanada to examine new routes, as well as an earlier announcement by President Obama indicating that the decision whether to approve Keystone XL would be delayed until after the 2012 Presidential elections. A U.S. State Department spokesman indicated that any agreement between the state of Nebraska and TransCanada will not alter the review process undertaken by the federal agency."
-from your own link, by the way, there is more to research than a cut and paste lob...you need to not only READ the data, you should probably understand it.

So, it is your opinion that the news releases from the governor of Nebraska's office as well as the news release from TransCanada are incorrect ????

Now I see why you have so many problems with this topic.
 
Com'on - if we're going to quote numbers then let's get them right: Bureau of Labor Statistics Data

Unemployment Jan 2009: 7.8%
Unemployment Dec 2011: 8.5%

And I'm sure you won't be blaming all that on Obama? You do understand it's the biggest economic upheaval since 1930 and wasn't started by him?

Guess you didn't see the CBO report that just came out:

Had that portion of the decline in the labor force participation rate since 2007 that is attributable to neither the aging of the baby boomers nor the downturn in the business cycle (on the basis of the experience in previous downturns) not occurred, the unemployment rate in the fourth quarter of 2011 would have been about 1¼ percentage points higher than the actual rate of 8.7 percent

Congressional Budget Office - The Budget and Economic Outlook: Fiscal Years 2012 to 2022

Yeah, I know.........Obama has been the greatest president in history. I prefer to take him up on his offer to be a one-term president if he doesn't improve the economy.
 
So, it is your opinion that the news releases from the governor of Nebraska's office as well as the news release from TransCanada are incorrect ????

Now I see why you have so many problems with this topic.

Obviously I do not see either as incorrect, considering I used them in my posts. There really is no reason to become agitated and resort to unpleasant comments...this is usually a sign that frustration is building. I prefer not to cause or feel this frustration, so if it could be lessened, I would appreciate it.
 
Guess you didn't see the CBO report that just came out:

Had that portion of the decline in the labor force participation rate since 2007 that is attributable to neither the aging of the baby boomers nor the downturn in the business cycle (on the basis of the experience in previous downturns) not occurred, the unemployment rate in the fourth quarter of 2011 would have been about 1¼ percentage points higher than the actual rate of 8.7 percent

Congressional Budget Office - The Budget and Economic Outlook: Fiscal Years 2012 to 2022


Yeah, I know.........Obama has been the greatest president in history. I prefer to take him up on his offer to be a one-term president if he doesn't improve the economy.

You can't change the methodology of calculating the unemployment rate for one period and not the other just to suit your argument. Not if you want to be taken seriously, anyway.

Now, maybe you want to look at the U-6 unemployment rate, which includes frustrated workers. In February of 2009 -- Obama's first full month -- it was 15.1%. Last month it was 15.2%.
 
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You can't change the methodology of calculating the unemployment rate for one period and not the other just to suit your argument. Not if you want to be taken seriously, anyway.

They were comparing apples to apples.
 
They were comparing apples to apples.

To be honest, I don't know what they're comparing. They're talking about a decline in the labor participation rate that's neither attributable to retirement nor the bad economy. So what do they attribute it to? And why does taking that mystery drop into consideration make that rate more "real" than the actual rate?
 
To be honest, I don't know what they're comparing. They're talking about a decline in the labor participation rate that's neither attributable to retirement nor the bad economy. So what do they attribute it to? And why does taking that mystery drop into consideration make that rate more "real" than the actual rate?

My guess is that they are relating it to early retirements due to people giving up on finding jobs. It is very confusing how they worded it, which was probably their intent.
 
Refine it into a thousand different products.

Mostly gasoline and ALL of it destined for export. We already export 400,000+ barrels of it a day. How much pollution from refining oil for other countries should we have? How many chlorinated hydrocarbon induced cancer deaths are OK with you so Canada can sell it's "dirty" oil to other countries? Let them take the risks on their soil.

NEW YORK (CNNMoney) -- The United States is awash in gasoline. So much so, in fact, that the country is exporting a record amount of it.
The country exported 430,000 more barrels of gasoline a day than it imported in September, according to the U.S. Energy Information Administration. That is about twice the amount at the start of the year, and experts and industry insiders say the trend is here to stay.
The United States began exporting gas in late 2008. For decades prior, starting in 1960, the country used all the gas it produced here plus had to import gas from places in Europe.
But demand for gas has dropped nearly 10% in recent years. It went from a peak of 9.6 million barrels a day in 2007 to 8.8 million barrels today, according to the EIA.
 
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