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Keystone oil sands pipeline rejected

I know you were talking about recycling, but I wanted to get a plug in there about Thorium, because it's a potential savior for the nuclear industry and it's presently an environmental hazard.

Yes.. and they can't eat rare earths... they have to sell them
 
... I wanted to get a plug in there about Thorium, because it's a potential savior for the nuclear industry and it's presently an environmental hazard.
Go team! :cool:
 
There are already EVs that can go 300 miles on a charge, though there are obviously many city dwellers who can get by with far less.

What do these extra special EVs cost ???
 

It's all amusing, if you aren't living there and having birth defects and leukemia cases, where you didn't have them before. Rare Earth mines contain radioactive materials.
 
What do these extra special EVs cost ???

For 300 mph range the cheapest at the moment is $70k, but it's a luxury car. The $50k version will go 160 miles. Or you could get a Volt or other plugin hybrid.
 
Yeah, the the Tsar of Russia left me his collection of Faberge eggs. ...................:lamo

Well you probably are familiar with their company and their products.. they are national... and international now. There are people in the US who are investing, inventing.. discovering new markets..

Its a pity that so many think that the only way to accomplish anything is to get money from the government.
 
It's all amusing, if you aren't living there and having birth defects and leukemia cases, where you didn't have them before. Rare Earth mines contain radioactive materials.
I was complimenting your plug for thorium-based fission. I'd prefer that approach, too.
 
Well you probably are familiar with their company and their products.. they are national... and international now. There are people in the US who are investing, inventing.. discovering new markets..

Its a pity that so many think that the only way to accomplish anything is to get money from the government.

Well, I definitely agree with the last part.
 
For 300 mph range the cheapest at the moment is $70k, but it's a luxury car. The $50k version will go 160 miles. Or you could get a Volt or other plugin hybrid.


Yep, a plug in every garage, eh ???

Just what the world needs, a car that will only go 160 miles before having to be plugged in overnight. That will definitely help the airline industry since no one will be able to take a driving vacation any more.
 
Well, I definitely agree with the last part.

This new project is a humdinger and will generate billions..

I am so excited to see them having such a good time with its development.
 
Yep, a plug in every garage, eh ???

Just what the world needs, a car that will only go 160 miles before having to be plugged in overnight. That will definitely help the airline industry since no one will be able to take a driving vacation any more.

see, that's why we haven't progressed, thinking like yours. we have many 2 car families, MANY, and their second car could easily be a hybrid or electric. there are plugs on my downtown streets, and if i were to buy a new car it would at least be a hybrid. if i needed to drive longer distances, i would rent a car. very simple, and as green as i could go.
 
see, that's why we haven't progressed, thinking like yours. we have many 2 car families, MANY, and their second car could easily be a hybrid or electric. there are plugs on my downtown streets, and if i were to buy a new car it would at least be a hybrid. if i needed to drive longer distances, i would rent a car. very simple, and as green as i could go.

Of course most families also have more than one car. No reason a couple couldn't have one EV and one plugin hybrid, if they're the sorts who tend to take driving vacations.
 
see, that's why we haven't progressed, thinking like yours. we have many 2 car families, MANY, and their second car could easily be a hybrid or electric. there are plugs on my downtown streets, and if i were to buy a new car it would at least be a hybrid. if i needed to drive longer distances, i would rent a car. very simple, and as green as i could go.

Well, I'm glad that will work for you. Unfortunately for people like me, it won't. I have a personal truck for my wife and I, plus I have a company provided truck. I can't haul all I need to without either one. Besides, it is 15 miles to the closest grocery store, pharmacy, etc so any plug in available today at a decent price would not work. Besides, the cost of electricity is sky rocketing thanks to Obama. My last electric bill had a $50 EPA surcharge on it.
 
Yep, a plug in every garage, eh ???

Just what the world needs, a car that will only go 160 miles before having to be plugged in overnight. That will definitely help the airline industry since no one will be able to take a driving vacation any more.

Perhaps the airline industry might consider the same plug-in option. That should eliminate the line-ups at the airport. Even the terrorists would hesitate before boarding.
 
Well, I'm glad that will work for you. Unfortunately for people like me, it won't. I have a personal truck for my wife and I, plus I have a company provided truck. I can't haul all I need to without either one. Besides, it is 15 miles to the closest grocery store, pharmacy, etc so any plug in available today at a decent price would not work. Besides, the cost of electricity is sky rocketing thanks to Obama. My last electric bill had a $50 EPA surcharge on it.
I understand, people don't like change.

Fact is, even at very high rates the electricity for a car is almost nothing compared to the cost of gasoline. (edit: I think Tesla says $3 for it's 240 mile range. Even if it's double that it's still less than the cost of a gallon of gas to go 120 miles.)

The model-T probably couldn't go very far on a tank of gas, either, and I bet gas stations were harder to find then than electrical outlets are now.

As for re-charging, I think eventually we'll have standard battery packs just like we have standard size batteries. Pull into a station, swap the pack, and you're on the road again. We're only at the first generation, just starting on the second generation - lots of room for improvement this early in a technology.
 
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I cannot understand (unless I think the worst), why anyone who has delved, even remotely into this thing would see it as a remotely good idea. The trade off of let's just say 20,000 jobs for the likely poisoning of a resource that cannot be replenished in any thing but geological time for millions of Americans just seems a no brainer to anyone with foresight. The "Test" pipeline with less than a third the length, had 12 spills last year.


http://content.usatoday.com/communi...1/06/us-canada-keystone-pipeline-hits-bumps/1
 
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I understand, people don't like change.

Fact is, even at very high rates the electricity for a car is almost nothing compared to the cost of gasoline.

The model-T probably couldn't go very far on a tank of gas, either, and I bet gas stations were harder to find then than electrical outlets are now.

As for re-charging, I think eventually we'll have standard battery packs just like we have standard size batteries. Pull into a station, swap the pack, and you're on the road again. We're only at the first generation, just starting on the second generation - lots of room for improvement this early in a technology.

Oh, I would have absolutely no problem owning an electric car, IF it had similar range and cargo capacity as a gas vehicle. As for swapping battery packs at a station..........they'd better have a crane handy because those things weigh hundreds of pounds.
 
I cannot understand (unless I think the worst), why anyone who has delved, even remotely into this thing would see it as a remotely good idea. The trade off of let's just say 20,000 jobs for the likely poisoning of a resource that cannot be replenished in any thing but geological time for millions of Americans just seems a no brainer to anyone with foresight. The "Test" pipeline with less than a third the length, had 12 spills last year
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Poisoning WHAT resource ??? There was no "test" pipeline that I've ever heard of. There are hundreds of other pipelines that crisscross the entire country. The alternative is to put the oil into Warren Buffet's rail cars which are far more prone to oil spillage than a pipeline.
 
Poisoning WHAT resource ??? There was no "test" pipeline that I've ever heard of. There are hundreds of other pipelines that crisscross the entire country. The alternative is to put the oil into Warren Buffet's rail cars which are far more prone to oil spillage than a pipeline.

What do you think would happen to the oil when it reached the Gulf Coast? Are they going to use it all in Biloxi?
 
Poisoning WHAT resource ??? There was no "test" pipeline that I've ever heard of. There are hundreds of other pipelines that crisscross the entire country. The alternative is to put the oil into Warren Buffet's rail cars which are far more prone to oil spillage than a pipeline.

They aren't going to put chunks of this bitumen in rail cars....... that's propaganda.
 
Oh, I would have absolutely no problem owning an electric car, IF it had similar range and cargo capacity as a gas vehicle. As for swapping battery packs at a station..........they'd better have a crane handy because those things weigh hundreds of pounds.
I know and I would expect something along those lines - assuming innovation doesn't change the game overnight. With something this new you never know what tomorrow will bring.
 
Poisoning WHAT resource ???

Uh....this, for one:
The Ogallala Aquifer occupies the High Plains of the United States, extending northward from western Texas to South Dakota. The Ogallala is the leading geologic formation in what is known as the High Plains Aquifer System. The entire system underlies about 450,000 square kilometers (174,000 square miles) of eight states. Although there are several other minor geologic formations in the High Plains Aquifer System, such as the Tertiary Brule and Arikaree and the Dakota formations of the Cretaceous, these several units are often referred to as the Ogallala Aquifer.

Read more: Ogallala Aquifer - depth, important, system, source Ogallala Aquifer - depth, important, system, source






There was no "test" pipeline that I've ever heard of. There are hundreds of other pipelines that crisscross the entire country. The alternative is to put the oil into Warren Buffet's rail cars which are far more prone to oil spillage than a pipeline.

Seriously dude, are you incapable of research, or simply unwilling.

"The first Keystone tar sands pipeline, constructed less than a year ago, has sprung its twelfth leak, spilling up to 2,100 gallons of raw tar sands crude oil in Kansas on May 29th when a pipeline fitting around a pressure transmitter failed. This comes just three weeks after a broken pipe fitting on Keystone resulted in a 60’ geyser of tar sands crude, spewing 21,000 gallons in North Dakota. "


The first Keystone tar sands pipeline spills again - providing twelve reasons not to fast-track the Keystone XL tar sands pipeline | Anthony Swift's Blog | Switchboard, from NRDC
 
Look up "job years".. The construction jobs are temporary as they move from place to place. For a while local restaurants, boarding houses, motels will be busy at least until that section of the pipeline is completed and the crews move on.

I am retired....


Ok, I understand what 'job years' are. I worked in the construction industry for a decade trucking aggregate materiel. the point is that these workers are not individual contractors. Many if not all are employed by companies that are in business doing many different facets of construction, and likely would increase employment with a project like this, and work contracts. When those contracts are done, they constantly build their base to either maintain the business, or replace finished jobs.

You are retired, ok, great. I hope to someday get there, but I will have retired from trucking, what did you retire from?

j-mac
 
Uh....this, for one:
The Ogallala Aquifer occupies the High Plains of the United States, extending northward from western Texas to South Dakota. The Ogallala is the leading geologic formation in what is known as the High Plains Aquifer System. The entire system underlies about 450,000 square kilometers (174,000 square miles) of eight states. Although there are several other minor geologic formations in the High Plains Aquifer System, such as the Tertiary Brule and Arikaree and the Dakota formations of the Cretaceous, these several units are often referred to as the Ogallala Aquifer.

Read more: Ogallala Aquifer - depth, important, system, source Ogallala Aquifer - depth, important, system, source








Seriously dude, are you incapable of research, or simply unwilling.

"The first Keystone tar sands pipeline, constructed less than a year ago, has sprung its twelfth leak, spilling up to 2,100 gallons of raw tar sands crude oil in Kansas on May 29th when a pipeline fitting around a pressure transmitter failed. This comes just three weeks after a broken pipe fitting on Keystone resulted in a 60’ geyser of tar sands crude, spewing 21,000 gallons in North Dakota. "


The first Keystone tar sands pipeline spills again - providing twelve reasons not to fast-track the Keystone XL tar sands pipeline | Anthony Swift's Blog | Switchboard, from NRDC

Although I could rail on about using a blog from the NRDC, as your back up to your claims, it would be a better question to ask you if you know how fast that spill was cleaned up, and if there was any lasting damage to the environment due to it?

j-mac
 
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