• This is a political forum that is non-biased/non-partisan and treats every person's position on topics equally. This debate forum is not aligned to any political party. In today's politics, many ideas are split between and even within all the political parties. Often we find ourselves agreeing on one platform but some topics break our mold. We are here to discuss them in a civil political debate. If this is your first visit to our political forums, be sure to check out the RULES. Registering for debate politics is necessary before posting. Register today to participate - it's free!

Keystone oil sands pipeline rejected

sangha said:
Learn to read. I didn't say "because, at this moment, there is no pipeline to protest"; I said "because, at this moment, there is no pipeline route to protest"
Click to expand...

Actually there is. So you were wrong either way.
 
j-mac said:
Oh, here we go...As though these things aren't being done at all...Good God. Listen, alternatives are YEARS, DECADES from being viable. Remember all the arguments against Alaskan drilling of our own resource? Same argument for these alternatives. Peak Oil is a man made phenomena. Until we get serious and start tapping our own reserves that right now are kept under lock and key, in favor of making America MORE dependent on foreign sources, then the price will skyrocket as Obama said he would ensure they do. Keep in mind that this artificial pricing in oil is the only thing keeping these nut job green energy boondoggles alive.

j-mac
Click to expand...

peak oil "Peak oil is the point in time when the maximum rate of global petroleum extraction is reached, after which the rate of production enters terminal decline", your right peak oil is a man made phenomena because we are using all the oil. If you dont think we are running out of oil then take a good look around, the auto industry is scrambling to produce an effective hyrdo cars, we are off-shore drilling ( which again uses a ton of energy before you even get any oil from the ground) and now we are tapping up the oil sands " “Get a bucket of tar that you use to patch your roof, go out to the sand box, [and] dump it in there,” he suggests. Then “pour…hot water in, mix it, and try to get that tar to separate from the sand as much as you can.” The population keeps growing and we keep using more oil so to say that peak oil is a man-made fantasy is reckless.
 
justabubba said:
[emphasis added by bubba]

the world is paying these 'artificial' prices for oil

the boondoggled nutjobs are those who believe that market price constitutes an 'artificial' price
Click to expand...

Have we seen in recent times deals made say between Russia and Iran, or China and Russia using something other than the dollar to buy their oil? Yes, yes we have.

j-mac
 
j-mac said:
Have we seen in recent times deals made say between Russia and Iran, or China and Russia using something other than the dollar to buy their oil? Yes, yes we have.

j-mac
Click to expand...

and you think that pricing oil in a currency other than the dollar causes oil to be artificially priced

too funny
 
sangha said:
No, if I wanted to say that, I would have actually said that

BTW, are you ever going to explain what "theory" you think I'm arguing for?
Click to expand...


What? Ahem...Why don't you lay out your theories and we can debate them, instead of playing childish games?


j-mac
 
j-mac said:
What? Ahem...Why don't you lay out your theories and we can debate them, instead of playing childish games?


j-mac
Click to expand...
yes, sangha

quit embarrassing them by refuting their statements with facts
 
sangha said:
No there isn't. The administration has just denied their request
Click to expand...

Yes there is. TransCanada and the governor of Nebraska agreed on an alternate route in November. They have finished planning for the new route and Nebraska is reviewing it as we speak.
Nebraska Governor Dave Heineman also said he was disappointed.

“Approval of the pipeline would have allowed TransCanada to move forward with the project while Nebraska finished the review process of a new segment of the route,” Heineman said in an e-mailed statement.

Heineman, in an interview this week with the Governor’s Journal website, said he expected TransCanada to propose at least one more route for the pipeline in the next 10 days. State environmental reviews would take up to nine months, he told the website.
Click to expand...
Keystone XL Pipeline Seen Moving Ahead on Alternative Route - Businessweek
 
j-mac said:
What? Ahem...Why don't you lay out your theories and we can debate them, instead of playing childish games?


j-mac
Click to expand...

So now you're going to back off and try to throw the burden on me? That's pretty dishonest

You claimed I had some sort of theory:

j-mac said:
Yeah, silly me...I actually thought you wanted to back up your theory. Instead just the usual....Nothing of substance...Pity really.


j-mac
Click to expand...

Now, you're once again claiming that I have some sort of theory. When will you back your accusation up with a quote?
 
Gill said:
Yes there is. TransCanada and the governor of Nebraska agreed on an alternate route in November. They have finished planning for the new route and Nebraska is reviewing it as we speak.

Keystone XL Pipeline Seen Moving Ahead on Alternative Route - Businessweek
Click to expand...

Your post is just more dishonest BS. Your own quote clearly states that the they have yet to propose another route.
he expected TransCanada to propose at least one more route for the pipeline in the next 10 days.
Click to expand...

This may be news to you, but "in the next 10 days" means it didn't happen yet.
 
justabubba said:
yes, sangha

quit embarrassing them by refuting their statements with facts
Click to expand...

Fact are good, I'll take facts....But just because someone says something is a fact doesn't make that so.

j-mac
 
sangha said:
So now you're going to back off and try to throw the burden on me? That's pretty dishonest

You claimed I had some sort of theory:



Now, you're once again claiming that I have some sort of theory. When will you back your accusation up with a quote?
Click to expand...

It is in your own words...Now you want to play endless games, and call people names...Rarely do you bring anything of substance to this board, and more often than not you are only in any particular thread to attack, name call, and disrupt conversation with communist BS. Why don't you just leave.


j-mac
 
j-mac said:
It is in your own words...Now you want to play endless games, and call people names...Rarely do you bring anything of substance to this board, and more often than not you are only in any particular thread to attack, name call, and disrupt conversation with communist BS. Why don't you just leave.


j-mac
Click to expand...

If it was in my own words, then you should be able to quote where I proposed any theory.

You can't do that, which proves your claim is dishonest. You don't want to admit to that dishonesty, so you're trying to hide it behind childish name-calling

It's not working. Just admit that you were wrong and that I proposed no theory.
 
sangha said:
Your post is just more dishonest BS. Your own quote clearly states that the they have yet to propose another route.


This may be news to you, but "in the next 10 days" means it didn't happen yet.
Click to expand...

Reading comprehension is a wonderful thing...........you should try it sometime !

From the quote I provided:

They have finished planning for the new route and Nebraska is reviewing it as we speak
Click to expand...
.
 
Maybe if the GOP had not of blocked his jobs bill or stood in the way of high speed rail then he might of approved this. Can't expect the guy to play ball with you if your not going to throw the ball back!
 
Gill said:
Reading comprehension is a wonderful thing...........you should try it sometime !

From the quote I provided:

.
Click to expand...

You're being dishonest again

That quote is not found in either your previous post, or the article you linked to
 
Higgins86 said:
Maybe if the GOP had not of blocked his jobs bill or stood in the way of high speed rail then he might of approved this. Can't expect the guy to play ball with you if your not going to throw the ball back!
Click to expand...


Wait just a gall darn minute here....The supposed "Jobs bill" that had little to do with actual jobs being created, and more to do with all kinds of poison pills, and payoffs to Obama supporters? That Jobs bill?


j-mac
 
j-mac said:
Higgins86 said:
oh they will make a profit but nothing compared to pumping oil pure from the ground, I just think its time we started getting real and started looking at other energy soucres, what about natural gas we need to started hitting that up!
Click to expand...
Oh, here we go...As though these things aren't being done at all...Good God. Listen, alternatives are YEARS, DECADES from being viable. [...]
Click to expand...
Electric cars are viable TODAY.
Compressed natural gas (CNG) cars are viable TODAY.
Fuel efficient cars -- vs gas hogging SUV's & pick ups -- are viable TODAY.

Viable options are not the problem; greed and selfishness are the problems.
 
j-mac said:
]...] Until we get serious and start tapping our own reserves that right now are kept under lock and key, in favor of making America MORE dependent on foreign sources, then the price will skyrocket [...]
Click to expand...
We don't have enough oil to affect global oil prices beyond a few percent.

Anyone who knows anything knows that.
 
Karl said:
We don't have enough oil to affect global oil prices beyond a few percent.

Anyone who knows anything knows that.
Click to expand...

But...we have the largest supply of natural gas in the world.
 
j-mac said:
[...] Peak Oil is a man made phenomena. [...]
Click to expand...
Peak Oil is a simple concept; even the right should be able to understand it :mrgreen:
 
teamosil said:
No, that isn't how it works. If we tried to pressure some producers into selling here, the prices would just go up elsewhere, so then the other producers that currently sell here would go sell there and it would all even out. You can't manipulate prices in one part of a global market. You would need to either control the whole market or segregate us from the larger market.

But, the supply and demand was about gas, not oil. Gas demand is pretty volatile, but supply is relatively fixed because we have a fixed number of refineries.
Click to expand...

You absolutly CAN manipulate prices in the global market. You do it by controlling the import/export taxes and policies in the country it originates from. Japan exports all kinds of things into America, yet their own policies make it very difficult for something made in America to be imported into their country. This not only improves their domestic market by eliminating foreign competition, but since most of our electronics and cars are imported from Asia, it also gives them power over OUR domestic market. We can use the same tactic for our own benefit. There is nothing REQUIRING us to sell our own oil, to ourselves, at global prices. It is our oil after all. Just because it DOESNT work that way right now, doesnt mean it CANT.
 
You must log in or register to reply here.
Back
Top Bottom