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Keystone oil sands pipeline rejected

You forgot the bars. And the hookers.

But do illuminate us on how many restaurants and hotels are going to be built to support a, what, 3-year pipeline construction job?

Why would any need to be built??? Can't the construction workers utilize those already there like all construction crews do??



Indeed we can. It would be much cleaner oil as well. But wouldn't it be smarter to reduce our oil consumption by, say, 5%?

Not really. Depends on how its processed before being piped.

If you want dirty oil you have to look at the junk Venezuela sends us.
 
Is it guaranteed that the oil (after being refined) would flow into American gas tanks?

We export, as well as import...Refined product is not separated into American, Canadian, Saudi, etc. What it will do is give us another source from a friendly ally, rather than relying on the ME, or Chavez....last I checked both of those places aren't really USA friendly....

j-mac
 
We export, as well as import...Refined product is not separated into American, Canadian, Saudi, etc. What it will do is give us another source from a friendly ally, rather than relying on the ME, or Chavez....last I checked both of those places aren't really USA friendly....

j-mac

How many times do you need to hear it? THE OIL FROM THE XL PIPELINE IS ALL FOR EXPORT FROM THE US. None of this oil will reduce our "imports" by one gallon or reduce our gas prices by one cent. We are already exporting 400,000 barrels a day of refined gasoiline so the oil companies can keep our price up. They are milking us for all we are worth and you think this pipeline would change that?
 
Yeah, no problem.........screw all the construction jobs, restaurant jobs, hotel jobs, supply jobs, refinery jobs, welder jobs, support industry jobs, shipping jobs, etc, etc, etc. [...]
You forgot the bars. And the hookers.

But do illuminate us on how many restaurants and hotels are going to be built to support a, what, 3-year pipeline construction job? [...]
Why would any need to be built??? Can't the construction workers utilize those already there like all construction crews do?? [...]
I thought you were talking about new restaurant and hotel jobs. Now I don't know what you were talking about. I don't think I'm alone . . . .

And I now see that there will be new refineries built -- I missed that before. Will they be built in the midwest? (I hear there is a shortage of them there). Or are you talking about existing jobs in existing refineries? Or do you know... what... you're talking... about?
 
Is it guaranteed that the oil (after being refined) would flow into American gas tanks?
Clearly this is no longer important to the right wing. Just keep in mind that in order to become energy independent, we must import oil from another country -- whether we sell it to a third country is irrelevant.

It's all so clear to me now . . . . :screwy
 
I really wish congress and the president would stop playing chicken about things, such as this pipeline or the budget or taxes, etc.

Grow up people and try to actually govern the country.

Yeah, I don't think the Republicans were serious about getting a serious job creation bill through. The proposal wasn't even completed. I think Obama did the right thing is rejecting it, and they just wanted a perfect opportunity to attack him. If he passed it, he would have caused himself trouble accepting an incomplete proposal. It's kind of like when Fox News went on a rampage that Obama should fire a woman for making a speech at the NAACP, and then went on another rampage when he did fire her. The GOP was counting on him NOT passing this bill, because they didn't offer anything worth passing. It was just grandstanding. They need to get off their asses and write a job creation bill worth passing, and stop playing chicken like you said. Our credit rating was downgraded because of this BS.
 
Romney echoed congressional Republican criticism by charging that the move to deny the pipeline permit was based on political rather than policy calculations.

“By declaring that the Keystone pipeline is not in the ‘national interest,’ the president demonstrates a lack of seriousness about bringing down unemployment, restoring economic growth, and achieving energy independence,” Romney said. “He seems to have confused the national interest with his own interest in pleasing the environmentalists in his political base.”

Obama Keystone XL pipeline rejection draws criticism from GOP primary candidates - The Washington Post

The claim that the oil from Canada will not benefit us here in the US is laughable, and really nothing but a talking point from the anti XL pipeline crowd...As usual not based in fact.

j-mac
 
The claim that the oil from Canada will not benefit us here in the US is laughable, and really nothing but a talking point from the anti XL pipeline crowd...As usual not based in fact.
Says he who quotes a politician currently running for office, and on top of that presents no facts :lamo
 
Says he who quotes a politician currently running for office, and on top of that presents no facts :lamo

Yeah, its such rocket science. A pipeline running dead down the center of the US. Pumping oil from our buddies in Canada. Couldn't possibly be a part of our energy independence from ME oil equation. :roll:

We have to pretend its not there, it would seem. Move along.

I thank God daily that when I was born, the doctor had a good grip, and did not drop me on my head. Lest I be so stupid so as to think that pipeline is not a part of our solution. I'm serious as a heart attack.
 
Yeah, its such rocket science. A pipeline running dead down the center of the US. Pumping oil from our buddies in Canada. Couldn't possibly be a part of our energy independence from ME oil equation. :roll:

We have to pretend its not there, it would seem. Move along.

I thank God daily that when I was born, the doctor had a good grip, and did not drop me on my head. Lest I be so stupid so as to think that pipeline is not a part of our solution. I'm serious as a heart attack.

It makes no difference where we import the oil from -- don't you get that? Oil is a commodity. If we don't buy it from the ME then the Chinese or Europeans will.
 
It makes no difference where we import the oil from -- don't you get that? Oil is a commodity. If we don't buy it from the ME then the Chinese or Europeans will.


Here's a hint, we still need oil in this nation...I don't see too many sails on cars.

j-mac
 
It makes no difference where we import the oil from -- don't you get that? Oil is a commodity. If we don't buy it from the ME then the Chinese or Europeans will.

Oh good gracious !! Yeah, it "makes no difference", so long as it is flowing from them to us, and we are paying the price they set.

Which means it makes a ton of difference.

In all candor, I am continually amazed at the shallow-mindedness of liberal America. I see too many views as just plain stupid, and I know that "stupid is forever", but I am still both amazed, and even more disappointed. God save the Republic.
 
Oh good gracious !! Yeah, it "makes no difference", so long as it is flowing from them to us, and we are paying the price they set.

Which means it makes a ton of difference.

In all candor, I am continually amazed at the shallow-mindedness of liberal America. I see too many views as just plain stupid, and I know that "stupid is forever", but I am still both amazed, and even more disappointed. God save the Republic.

What constantly blows me away is that so-called pro-business conservatives haven't a clue as to how business or markets work.
 
What constantly blows me away is that so-called pro-business conservatives haven't a clue as to how business or markets work.


You must be right. Obama sure has their number. I am so glad that he got unemployment back under 5%....Oh, wait....


j-mac
 
The claim that the oil from Canada will not benefit us here in the US is laughable, and really nothing but a talking point from the anti XL pipeline crowd...As usual not based in fact.

j-mac
i'm listening

tell us why the oil we import from canada will benefit us in any way differently than the oil we import from the ME, venezuela, nigeria or mexico
 
i'm listening

tell us why the oil we import from canada will benefit us in any way differently than the oil we import from the ME, venezuela, nigeria or mexico

This blog article seems to articulate well the costs and benefits IMO...

Light sweet crude in North Dakota is still selling for $20/barrel less that you could get for it if you could find a cheap way to transport it to the Gulf of Mexico. A quick calculation suggests that infrastructure that could move 500,000 barrels a day would generate $3.6 billion in annual value added. That benefit would go to the people who work to build the pipeline, motorists who buy the gasoline, workers and companies that produce the oil, and the government that collects taxes from all the rest.

Econbrowser: Costs and benefits of the Keystone XL pipeline
 
What constantly blows me away is that so-called pro-business conservatives haven't a clue as to how business or markets work.

What blows me away is that liberals think they know ..... anything ? The ignorance is so deep ...... I wish we could export it .... all of it.

Stupid is forever ... but forever does not have to be here. I want it to be there. Or "there". Anywhere but here.
 
This blog article seems to articulate well the costs and benefits IMO...



Econbrowser: Costs and benefits of the Keystone XL pipeline
let's examine these allegations:
Light sweet crude in North Dakota is still selling for $20/barrel less that you could get for it if you could find a cheap way to transport it to the Gulf of Mexico.
that $20 differential represents the additional expense needed to transport the oil to the oil market place. once it arrives there, its cost will be at parity with the other oil on the international market
in short, what may appear to be a bargain at the well head is no longer discounted at the marketplace
A quick calculation suggests that infrastructure that could move 500,000 barrels a day would generate $3.6 billion in annual value added.
as was noted above, once the cost of transport to the end market is added to the $80 per barrel well head price, that $3.6 billion is lost to cover the expense of transport before a pipeline becomes available
there is NO financial benefit which will accrue
That benefit would go to the
people who work to build the pipeline,
$1 billion in wages (assuming a $50K annual wage) would go to the workers during the total span of construction leaving $3.6 billion in additional profit for the oil company annually thereafter
motorists who buy the gasoline,
it was estimated by a cite earlier provided, that the price of gasoline is expected to be reduced by $1 per barrel, 1%, due to the resulting additional supply in the world's marketplace. hardly a savings worth the added environmental problems that are expected to result (20-40% increased emissions above that resulting from processing common crude)
i don't see any benefits going to the workers, other than those man years required to construct the pipeline. maybe you will point out how workers other than the pipeline builders will benefit
and companies that produce the oil,
yes, the oil companies will accrue an additional $3.8 billion annually while our citizens are subject to loss of use of their properties thru eminent domain, our nation is subjected to additional environmental toxicity, and our aquifers and habitats are placed at needless risk, to allow the oil inductry to generate those additional profits
and the government that collects taxes from all the rest.
sorry. we are going to use X amount of oil no matter where it comes from. the taxes on X amount of oil consumed will not change if the pipeline is allowed to be constructed
 
i'm listening

tell us why the oil we import from canada will benefit us in any way differently than the oil we import from the ME, venezuela, nigeria or mexico

You feel secure about oil from the ME ? Why ?

What is it about Hugo Chavez that gives you a boner ?

Nigeria is to bank on because why ? Nigerian bank scams ?

At least Mexico is right there, like Canada.

Were you a petroleum product buyer during the oil embargo ? Have you ever waited an hour or two to buy 10 gallons of gas ? Ever been told you could not buy gas on an even calendar day because your licence plate ended in an odd number ?

This is pathetic.
 
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You feel secure about oil from the ME ? Why ?

you under the belief that we are going to be denied access to the world's oil marketplace
that's silly
we will be importing until we become energy self sufficient
it does not matter where that world oil supply originates, we will be there buying it at commodity prices like china and every other oil importing nation
 
you under the belief that we are going to be denied access to the world's oil marketplace
that's silly
we will be importing until we become energy self sufficient
it does not matter where that world oil supply originates, we will be there buying it at commodity prices like china and every other oil importing nation

At this point, I can say with confidence that I know better than you.

Were you a gasoline purchaser in 1973 ?
 
Yeah, its such rocket science. A pipeline running dead down the center of the US. Pumping oil from our buddies in Canada. Couldn't possibly be a part of our energy independence from ME oil equation. :roll:

We have to pretend its not there, it would seem. Move along.

I thank God daily that when I was born, the doctor had a good grip, and did not drop me on my head. Lest I be so stupid so as to think that pipeline is not a part of our solution. I'm serious as a heart attack.

So much for self-sufficiency, lets import even more oil even if it is not for us. And let's make it the dirtiest most expensive to produce oil on the planet. That makes sense to you? Are you sure about that doc?
 
At this point, I can say with confidence that I know better than you.

Were you a gasoline purchaser in 1973 ?

Have you been asleep since then? It's not 1973 anymore granpa. There will be no oil embargos from the middle east or OPEC. Money talks much louder now.
 
Have you been asleep since then? It's not 1973 anymore granpa. There will be no oil embargos from the middle east or OPEC. Money talks much louder now.

GREAT POINT! Now remind me who has the money to 'talk louder' with...OH, that's right CHINA...and how's that gonna help us kiddo?
 
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