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    Re: Keystone oil sands pipeline rejected

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    I'm involved in the tourism business in Costa Rica and it seems the Chinese certainly have their fingers in a lot of pies.

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    I was just in Costa Rica last week. Our driver pointed out a huge new soccer stadium in San Jose that he said was paid for by the Chinese. He said the locals had no idea why the Chinese would give them such a big gift, but they were sure there was a catch somewhere.

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    Re: Keystone oil sands pipeline rejected

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    Right. They want more studies, despite this thing already being studied for years. If you don't mind spending the money you can study it for several generations.
    Though this has been studied since 2008, route changes and several other issues have forced new study before approval by the U.S.State dept. The Republicans tried to get the President to bypass federal law by pushing him to ignore State Dept. authority...basically they tried to play hard ball, and lost.

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    Re: Keystone oil sands pipeline rejected

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    I was just in Costa Rica last week. Our driver pointed out a huge new soccer stadium in San Jose that he said was paid for by the Chinese. He said the locals had no idea why the Chinese would give them such a big gift, but they were sure there was a catch somewhere.
    Did you visit Arenal Volcano?

    China has a huge duty free zone here and an interest in all of Central America, But in truth they are thinking globally. Their interests in Africa, and their successes there, are well documented.

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    Re: Keystone oil sands pipeline rejected

    Quote Originally Posted by Gill View Post
    Erroneous, spun, mutilated ???? So now you are accusing the Governor of Nebraska of lying ??? Talk about spinning...........


    Gov. Heineman News: Gov. Heineman: Pipeline Re-Routing is Nebraska Common Sensen
    I didn't accuse the Governor of lying, I accused other people of misinterpreting exactly what he said. In case you haven't noticed, politicians are particularly good at making "Go to Hell" sound like an invite to an upper class dance.

    This is the last sentence of the third paragraph of the link you provided:

    Additionally, TransCanada has heard our concerns and has voluntarily agreed to change the route.
    Yes, folks! We made a milestone today because TransCan agrees that their original routing is unacceptable to Nebraska and they will move it!!!

    It doesn't say "They've moved it over here" just that, yes, they will move it somewhere else.
    Now, where did they move it? They aren't going through the Sand Hills so where are they going?

    Quote Originally Posted by Gill View Post
    And from your own link:


    Read more: Nebraska signs oil-pipeline bill

    The issue was routing of the pipeline through the sensitive Sand Hills area over the Ogallala aquifer. That issue has been resolved.
    Yes, they resolved that the pipeline was no longer going to go through the Sand Hills area. They did NOT resolve where exactly it was going, just that it wasn't going THERE.

    Quote Originally Posted by Gill View Post
    YOU are the one mutilating the truth with your lies.
    What lie is that? That a final Keystone XL route has not yet been approved by anyone? (not Nebraska and as far as I know not TransCan) It's easy enough to prove me wrong - just show me the documentation because I haven't seen it yet.

    - Where are they building it now? (not where aren't they building it, that's been answered.)
    - Exactly what route will it take now? (What's the new plan/route?)
    - What rivers and streams will be crossed?
    - What flood plains will be affected?

    Until those questions are answered Uncle Sam can't complete the review. You can't review a set of blueprints unless you have the blueprints. How hard is that to understand?

    You want to call me a liar? Then provide the answers to those four questions.
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    Re: Keystone oil sands pipeline rejected

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    Did you visit Arenal Volcano?
    No, was just passing through on the way to the Pacific coast.

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    Re: Keystone oil sands pipeline rejected

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    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post

    Though this has been studied since 2008, route changes and several other issues have forced new study before approval by the U.S.State dept. The Republicans tried to get the President to bypass federal law by pushing him to ignore State Dept. authority...basically they tried to play hard ball, and lost.
    This really isnt a team sport of Republican versus Democrat. It is what's best for America and its future.

    There are varying opinions on Obama's decision and I happen to think it's a bad one. I could just as easily be wrong. Canada couldn't have better neighbours than the United States and I hope nothing happens to change that, but there are murmurings of discontent.

    Pipeline politics: Misguided Obama blocks Keystone pipeline - chicagotribune.com

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    Re: Keystone oil sands pipeline rejected

    I agree...this should not be a game. However, in this case it is quite obvious the Republicans WERE indeed playing, and fumbled.

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    Re: Keystone oil sands pipeline rejected

    I was about to reply to a comment to my post with the following...

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant
    Right. They want more studies, despite this thing already being studied for years. If you don't mind spending the money you can study it for several generations.
    Dateline...Thu Nov 10, 2011 3:59pm EST
    The United States said on Thursday it will study a new route for the Keystone XL Canada-to-Texas oil pipeline.
    ...but I see others have responded in greater detail.



    President Obama said, at that time:
    “Because this permit decision could affect the health and safety of the American people as well as the environment, and because a number of concerns have been raised through a public process, we should take the time to ensure that all questions are properly addressed and all the potential impacts are properly understood.”

    I have nothing against the pipeline being built and it may very well be built one day. Some may claim that it's nothing but politics, and I'm pretty sure there is some element of truth in that. It just so happens that that this particular bit of politics align with my politics more than the other politics.
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    Re: Keystone oil sands pipeline rejected

    Quote Originally Posted by tecoyah View Post
    I agree...this should not be a game. However, in this case it is quite obvious the Republicans WERE indeed playing, and fumbled.
    Okay, so if they fumbled was that good for America or bad for America?

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    Re: Keystone oil sands pipeline rejected

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    Okay, so if they fumbled was that good for America or bad for America?
    I don't know...I suppose that is the point of the study. What research I have done thus far though, does seem to indicate a very small benefit (Couple thousand jobs, increased profits for a few American Corporations), and we may very well see these benefits once they are finished making sure the impact is worth the cost.

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