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    Re: Keystone oil sands pipeline rejected

    Quote Originally Posted by sharon View Post
    China has been buying up Canadian oil companies right and left........
    I don't think there have been that many oil companies sold to China though of course the oil market is available to outside investors, just as in any free market. American skittishness a big concern for producers..

    PetroChina buys control of Canada oil sands project | Reuters

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    Re: Keystone oil sands pipeline rejected

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    I don't think there have been that many oil companies sold to China though of course the oil market is available to outside investors, just as in any free market. American skittishness a big concern for producers..

    PetroChina buys control of Canada oil sands project | Reuters
    I think that so far, the Chinese have bought or bought controlling shares in a half dozen oil projects in Alberta.

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    Re: Keystone oil sands pipeline rejected

    Quote Originally Posted by sharon View Post
    I think that so far, the Chinese have bought or bought controlling shares in a half dozen oil projects in Alberta.
    I'd be just as happy to see traditional American involvement in the Canadian economy, and vice versa, as it appears to have benefited both countries over the years. But the times, as has been noted earlier, they are a changin'.

    http://www.international.alberta.ca/...l/China-AB.pdf
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    Re: Keystone oil sands pipeline rejected

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    Right. They want more studies, despite this thing already being studied for years. If you don't mind spending the money you can study it for several generations.
    Come on - it took the State of Nebraska the same amount of time to figure out the route itself was not good for them, and they STILL haven't made a final agreement (in writing) on what IS good for them. I mean, Really?, Nebraska couldn't look at a MAP and figure out rather quickly that there might be an issue with the route?

    And you do realize until Nebraska makes up it's mind that Uncle Sam is on hold? You can't study river crossings and other possible issues if you don't know where those are.


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    At least someone is finally making some sense in this deal. I never could figure out with all the glut sitting in OK why they didn't start building there and go south instead of hanging everything on the northern leg. I mean, even if the rest of XL never gets built (doubtful) they'll still make money on the Cushing-to-Gulf section.
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    Re: Keystone oil sands pipeline rejected

    Quote Originally Posted by MoSurveyor View Post
    Come on - it took the State of Nebraska the same amount of time to figure out the route itself was not good for them, and they STILL haven't made a final agreement (in writing) on what IS good for them. I mean, Really?, Nebraska couldn't look at a MAP and figure out rather quickly that there might be an issue with the route?

    And you do realize until Nebraska makes up it's mind that Uncle Sam is on hold? You can't study river crossings and other possible issues if you don't know where those are.


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    At least someone is finally making some sense in this deal. I never could figure out with all the glut sitting in OK why they didn't start building there and go south instead of hanging everything on the northern leg. I mean, even if the rest of XL never gets built (doubtful) they'll still make money on the Cushing-to-Gulf section.
    As has been quoted numerous times in this thread, Nebraska settled on a route after negotiations with TransCanada last November. Obama's state department is the only hold-up.

    Obama will get hammered on this issue all summer as gas approaches $5 a gallon.

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    Re: Keystone oil sands pipeline rejected

    Quote Originally Posted by Gill View Post
    As has been quoted numerous times in this thread, Nebraska settled on a route after negotiations with TransCanada last November. Obama's state department is the only hold-up.

    Obama will get hammered on this issue all summer as gas approaches $5 a gallon.
    Do Americans still believe this will increase US supply?

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    Re: Keystone oil sands pipeline rejected

    Quote Originally Posted by sharon View Post
    Do Americans still believe this will increase US supply?
    Doesn't matter. Perception is the only thing that matters during an election. Just as Obama hammered Bush for high gas prices in 2008, he will get the same this year. This pipeline issue will be like throwing gas on the fire (pun intended).

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    I'm involved in the tourism business in Costa Rica and it seems the Chinese certainly have their fingers in a lot of pies.

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    Re: Keystone oil sands pipeline rejected

    Quote Originally Posted by Gill View Post
    As has been quoted numerous times in this thread, Nebraska settled on a route after negotiations with TransCanada last November. Obama's state department is the only hold-up.
    Erroneously quoted you mean? Quoted then spun, folded, & mutilated?

    Let's look at the real facts from that time so we can get it all straight, without the GOP spin. I'll post up the Nov 2011 news which shows many times that there was no agreement on a final route between Nebraska and TransCanadian at that time:

    Nebraska signs oil-pipeline bill (dated 23 Nov 2011)

    His comments came after Nebraska state senators voted unanimously in favour of legislation requiring TransCanada to propose a new route for the 830,000 barrel per day pipeline that would run from Alberta to refineries on the Texas coast.
    Let's recap that. In Nov 2011 Nebraska has finally approved legislation requiring TransCan to move Keystone XL. That isn't saying the new route has been proposed and approved, that is saying the old route is officially denied - you (TransCan) need to try again.
    The legislation authorizes Nebraska's Department of Environmental Quality to oversee the process - and to pay the estimated $2-million tab to study the impact of moving the pipeline.

    TransCanada agreed to the main details of the bill last week.

    State Senator Chris Lange-meier, who chairs Nebraska's natural resources committee, said he is confident Keystone XL's new environmental impact study can be completed within the next six to nine months.
    Six to nine months dating from Nov 2011 puts us somewhere in the May-Aug 2012 time-frame for Nebraska to finish it's end of this deal. What you saw in Jan 2012 was the GOP pushing their Republican Governor into making nebulous statements about Nebraska's current status with XL. Many people were fooled by the retoric but the bottom line is, there is no final, signed agreement between Nebraska and TransCanadian on the Keystone XL pipeline route and there won't be for several more months.

    The re-routing in Nebraska will affect the route in other states as well. Now, how exactly is Uncle Sam supposed to conduct studies on areas when it doesn't know where those areas are? It's kind of hard to do a plan review without the final plan.
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    Re: Keystone oil sands pipeline rejected

    Quote Originally Posted by MoSurveyor View Post
    Erroneously quoted you mean? Quoted then spun, folded, & mutilated?
    Erroneous, spun, mutilated ???? So now you are accusing the Governor of Nebraska of lying ??? Talk about spinning...........

    Gov. Heineman: Pipeline Re-Routing is Nebraska Common Sense


    (Lincoln, Neb.) Gov. Dave Heineman today at a media availability made the following comments regarding recent developments of the Keystone XL Pipeline:
    November 15, 2011, 4:00 p.m. CT

    “Just a few days ago, I said that the U.S. Department of State decision to undertake an “in-depth assessment of potential alternative routes” was an opportunity for a common sense solution. Today, we stand here having reached a common sense solution.”

    “While there have been a number of factors that have brought us to this point, the catalyst for this extraordinary series of events was the calling of the Special Session. For months, Nebraskans have been clear about our position on the pipeline - we support the pipeline. However, we’re opposed to a route through the environmentally sensitive Sand Hills. Citizens voiced their opinions at public hearings in Atkinson and Lincoln and at the Legislature’s three public hearings. Through our persistence and determination, the State Department heard our concerns. Additionally, TransCanada has heard our concerns and has voluntarily agreed to change the route.”
    Gov. Heineman News: Gov. Heineman: Pipeline Re-Routing is Nebraska Common Sensen

    And from your own link:

    Nebraska's governor signed legislation Tuesday to reroute the controversial Keystone XL oilsands pipeline out of the state's environmentally fragile Sand-hills region, wrapping up a deal TransCanada Corp. hopes will speed U.S. approval of the $7-billion project.
    Read more: Nebraska signs oil-pipeline bill

    The issue was routing of the pipeline through the sensitive Sand Hills area over the Ogallala aquifer. That issue has been resolved.

    YOU are the one mutilating the truth with your lies.

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