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    Re: Keystone oil sands pipeline rejected

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    The oil pipeline is not a public utility,this is a private company wanting oil pipe to all the way to Texas for private use.This is exactly a misuse of eminent domain just like what happened with Kelo vs. New London.This is no different than a Walmart,Home Depot or hotel wanting to use eminent domain to take your property.
    That analogy holds water nowhere. Show me a trans-continental pipeline that was built without eminent domain ? The licensing and transportation of natural resources is more than mired enough in government regulation so as to qualify. Whether it be such as the transmission of natural gas to your home so that you have heat to cook with, or transmission of oil to end up as the heating fuel that also serves such homes, this sure as heck is not a matter of deciding which block gets a WalMart.

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    Re: Keystone oil sands pipeline rejected

    Quote Originally Posted by Eighty Deuce View Post
    That analogy holds water nowhere. Show me a trans-continental pipeline that was built without eminent domain ? The licensing and transportation of natural resources is more than mired enough in government regulation so as to qualify. Whether it be such as the transmission of natural gas to your home so that you have heat to cook with, or transmission of oil to end up as the heating fuel that also serves such homes, this sure as heck is not a matter of deciding which block gets a WalMart.
    Whether or not there is or isn't a trans-continental pipeline that used eminent domain is irrelevant.It doesn't change the fact that a private company has no business using eminent domain to take land from private owners.A transcontinental pipeline is a not a public utility. Therefore no different than a Wal-Mart,Hotel, home Depot or some other privately owned business.
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    Re: Keystone oil sands pipeline rejected

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    Whether or not there is or isn't a trans-continental pipeline that used eminent domain is irrelevant.It doesn't change the fact that a private company has no business using eminent domain to take land from private owners.A transcontinental pipeline is a not a public utility. Therefore no different than a Wal-Mart,Hotel, home Depot or some other privately owned business.
    Well, if that has been the only way it ever has gotten done, I find it diifficult to then give credence to your assertion that "they have no business doing it that way".

    Do you realize the absurdity that woulod result with a pipeline company having to essentially gerrymander the route all over, likely with land purchase options spread a million different ways, to try to build a pipeline to carry the lifeblood of our industry ? Of the heat in virtually every home ?

    Your position lacks both basic reality and logic. Give it w awhack though, I am curious as to how you think it gets done then. Any pipeline, Anywhere.

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    Re: Keystone oil sands pipeline rejected

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    I hope they are permanently stopped. Not because of any environmental nonsense but because the fact the company is trying to use eminent domain.No private company should ever be allowed to use eminent domain especially a foreign owned one.And eminent domain should only be used by the state to build highways and roads and nothing else.School,hospitals and municipal buildings can be easily relocated or redesigned.

    Keystone XL Pipeline Relies on Eminent Domain for Success
    You know I was all for the pipeline until I read this. I'm glad you pointed this out.
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    Re: Keystone oil sands pipeline rejected

    Quote Originally Posted by Eighty Deuce View Post
    LOL ... sorry, but 20,000 gallons is hardly an ink dot. They clean it up and life goes on quite well.

    As for "oil for export" ....... balance it out anyway you want. We currently "import" 40% of our oil, do we not ? If and when the governments get their heads out of their asses ............ I hope this is not rocket science for a few of you.
    The accurate jobs number is 4500 to 5000 temporary construction jobs not 20,000. The oil won't be used to reduce our imports or lower our costs. Most of the benefits go to Canada and abroad while all of the risk and pollution are ours to keep. It's a bad deal all around and even the Republicans knew it. Otherwise they would not have put that deadline so that studies could not be completed.

    How about if I dump 20,000 gallons of crude in your front yard...don't worry its "hardly an ink dot".
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    Re: Keystone oil sands pipeline rejected

    Quote Originally Posted by Eighty Deuce View Post
    Well, if that has been the only way it ever has gotten done, I find it diifficult to then give credence to your assertion that "they have no business doing it that way".

    Do you realize the absurdity that woulod result with a pipeline company having to essentially gerrymander the route all over, likely with land purchase options spread a million different ways, to try to build a pipeline to carry the lifeblood of our industry ? Of the heat in virtually every home ?

    Your position lacks both basic reality and logic. Give it w awhack though, I am curious as to how you think it gets done then. Any pipeline, Anywhere.
    I do not care.It is a private company wanting land for non-public utility use and non highway/road use.They should never be allowed the use of eminent domain period.If they want a piece of property bad enough then they can pay the owner what he or she wants even if that owner wants above so called fair market value or find someone else who will sell to them.Private property rights are more important than some oil company wanting to build a pipeline all the way across the country so they can export it and American property rights are definitely more important than some foreign owned company's desire to build a pipeline.
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    Re: Keystone oil sands pipeline rejected

    Quote Originally Posted by Psychoclown View Post
    You know I was all for the pipeline until I read this. I'm glad you pointed this out.
    I think a lot of people were not aware of the fact the Canadian owned oil company is using eminent domain to seize property in the US.
    "A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly. But the traitor moves amongst those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself. For the traitor appears not a traitor; he speaks in accents familiar to his victims, and he wears their face and their arguments, he appeals to the baseness that lies deep in the hearts of all men. He rots the soul of a nation, he works secretly and unknown in the night to undermine the pillars of the city, he infects the body politic so that it can no longer resist. A murder is less to fear"

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    Re: Keystone oil sands pipeline rejected

    Quote Originally Posted by Eighty Deuce View Post
    Well, if that has been the only way it ever has gotten done, I find it diifficult to then give credence to your assertion that "they have no business doing it that way".

    Do you realize the absurdity that woulod result with a pipeline company having to essentially gerrymander the route all over, likely with land purchase options spread a million different ways, to try to build a pipeline to carry the lifeblood of our industry ? Of the heat in virtually every home ?

    Your position lacks both basic reality and logic. Give it w awhack though, I am curious as to how you think it gets done then. Any pipeline, Anywhere.
    The XL pipeline is hardly carrying lifeblood for our industry. The oil is all slated for export, most of it as gasoline. We already export 400,000 barrels of gas a day, why do we have to have all the risk and pollution if we don't need the gasoline anyway?

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    Re: Keystone oil sands pipeline rejected

    Quote Originally Posted by iguanaman View Post
    The XL pipeline is hardly carrying lifeblood for our industry. The oil is all slated for export, most of it as gasoline. We already export 400,000 barrels of gas a day, why do we have to have all the risk and pollution if we don't need the gasoline anyway?
    The risk of transportation by truck is much higher than by pipeline. The pipeline won't run into a bridge if a truck driver falls asleep. The pipeline won't flip over if a car cuts it off.

    So here are the options. Either use eminent domain to buy the land at inflated prices and then lease it to the company for a profit or let the company drive the oil over land tare up the roads and spill more oil everyday than the entire life of the pipeline. Which do you chose?
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    Re: Keystone oil sands pipeline rejected

    Quote Originally Posted by iguanaman View Post
    The XL pipeline is hardly carrying lifeblood for our industry. The oil is all slated for export, most of it as gasoline. We already export 400,000 barrels of gas a day, why do we have to have all the risk and pollution if we don't need the gasoline anyway?
    Why do we export anything then ? The overwhelming pollution issues are with the actual use of fossil fuels. How has the Alaskan pipeline worked out ? Exceedingly well.

    Further, no land is being "seized" by anyone (as another poster said). The fact remains that we still import 40% of our crude. It is for our twisted politicians to stop the policies that favor import, while at the same time running this oil to our refineries and then to export as more gasoline. We need the pipelines to transport any oil that replaces our ocean imports. That is a fact. If you' re against the pipeline, then you support our oil dependence on the Middle East.

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