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    Re: Keystone oil sands pipeline rejected

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    Eminent domain should never be used for private companies period.Most private companies do not use eminent domain. They can always change locations,reroute or redesign to fit on what they have or simply pay the owner what they want. Its private company they have no business using eminent domain,especially a foreign owned company.
    As I noted, eminent domain for what have always been government regulated routes has always been the norm. This is not some newfound gizmo. If pipelines and power lines had to rely on every land owner being willing, we'd all still be heating with wood stoves. We could have government own the pipelines and power lines if it would make you happier.

    This is not a misuse of eminent domain as happened with Kelo vs. New London. It is completely in accordance with the intent of the Founders as well.

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    Re: Keystone oil sands pipeline rejected

    Quote Originally Posted by hazlnut View Post
    The right will use this against him, calling Obama 'job-killer'.
    With gusto. And accurately so !

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    Re: Keystone oil sands pipeline rejected

    Quote Originally Posted by Eighty Deuce View Post
    Eminent domain is standard practice for the routing of pipelines. Just as it is with power transmission lines.

    Secondly, oil pipelines are uber-safe. Even when built "over aquifers".
    Click here to see the abundance of pipelines already built over the Ogallala Aquifer.

    http://heartland.org/sites/default/f...quifer_map.pdf


    This is pure Obama and his tree-huggers. Time to throw the former out on his useless ass and compel the latter to suck a root.
    The last thing you want when you’re waiting to get a new construction permit approved is for one of your existing buildings to collapse.
    It’s just doesn’t inspire confidence.
    That’s the situation facing TransCanada Corp. following a 20,000 gallon spill Saturday from its Keystone oil pipeline. The Canadian company is waiting for approval from the U.S. State Department to build a controversial $7 billion, “Keystone XL,” a larger, longer pipeline to carry heavy oil from oil sand fields in Alberta nearly 2,000 miles to refineries in Texas.
    The Keystone pipeline (30″ pipe) only goes as far as Oklahoma and moves roughly a half-million barrels of oil a day. It’s big brother (36″ pipe) could carry twice that volume and stretch all the way down to southernmost Texas.
    Saturday’s spill in North Dakota happened when a valve failed, according to TransCanada spokesman, Terry Cunha, causing 500 barrels of the heavy oil to leak, spraying 60-feet into the air.
    A local county commissioner praised TransCanada’s quick response to the spill, but also told the press “I have to confess: I did not anticipate the we would have a problem this soon.”
    Keystone Pipeline Spill Raises Concerns About TransCanada's Super-Sizing - Forbes

    So much for pipelines being "uber-safe". You obviously don't have a clue. Did you know that all the oil going down the XL pipeline is for export? That only 4500 to 5000 temporary construction jobs are to be made? That we are already exporting 400,000 barrels of gasoline a day? I thought not.....

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    Re: Keystone oil sands pipeline rejected

    Quote Originally Posted by iguanaman View Post
    Keystone Pipeline Spill Raises Concerns About TransCanada's Super-Sizing - Forbes

    So much for pipelines being "uber-safe". You obviously don't have a clue. Did you know that all the oil going down the XL pipeline is for export? That only 4500 to 5000 temporary construction jobs are to be made? That we are already exporting 400,000 barrels of gasoline a day? I thought not.....
    A few weeks ago I posted a quote from a former Keystone safety engineer who claims that their practices are abysmal.

    If Republicans had been smart they would have assigned a more realistic deadline for the decision. By insisting on such a short deadline they completely neutered their argument.

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    Re: Keystone oil sands pipeline rejected

    Quote Originally Posted by iguanaman View Post
    Keystone Pipeline Spill Raises Concerns About TransCanada's Super-Sizing - Forbes

    So much for pipelines being "uber-safe". You obviously don't have a clue. Did you know that all the oil going down the XL pipeline is for export? That only 4500 to 5000 temporary construction jobs are to be made? That we are already exporting 400,000 barrels of gasoline a day? I thought not.....
    LOL ... sorry, but 20,000 gallons is hardly an ink dot. They clean it up and life goes on quite well.

    As for "oil for export" ....... balance it out anyway you want. We currently "import" 40% of our oil, do we not ? If and when the governments get their heads out of their asses ............ I hope this is not rocket science for a few of you.

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    Re: Keystone oil sands pipeline rejected

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    Eminent domain should never be used for private companies period.Most private companies do not use eminent domain. They can always change locations,reroute or redesign to fit on what they have or simply pay the owner what they want. Its private company they have no business using eminent domain,especially a foreign owned company.
    You cant be serious. They would be forced to buy parcels of land that are interlocked. By using eminent doamin they can purchase parts of parcels and avoid zoning nightmares both for those that may want to sell and the company that wants to buy by getting government to intercede and allow small portion purchases to allow movement through an area.

    I will say though getting the construction area away from aquifers is a sound practice. Dont know what you do when you go through Illinois/Missouri area though,its full of waterways everywhere.

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    Re: Keystone oil sands pipeline rejected

    Quote Originally Posted by OpportunityCost View Post
    You cant be serious. They would be forced to buy parcels of land that are interlocked. By using eminent doamin they can purchase parts of parcels and avoid zoning nightmares both for those that may want to sell and the company that wants to buy by getting government to intercede and allow small portion purchases to allow movement through an area.

    I will say though getting the construction area away from aquifers is a sound practice. Dont know what you do when you go through Illinois/Missouri area though,its full of waterways everywhere.
    Check this link. The Ogallala Aquifer is pretty covered with pipelines already.

    http://heartland.org/sites/default/f...quifer_map.pdf

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    Re: Keystone oil sands pipeline rejected

    Quote Originally Posted by joko104 View Post

    The energy policies and actions (or rather inactions) of our government are as irresponsible, arrogant and incompetent as it gets.
    That's our Obama alright.
    “I think if Thomas Jefferson were looking down, the author of the Bill of Rights, on what’s being proposed here, he’d agree with it. He would agree that the First Amendment cannot be absolute.” - Chuck Schumer (D). Yet, Madison and Mason wrote the Bill of Rights, according to Sheila Jackson Lee, 400 years ago. Yup, it's a fact.


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    Re: Keystone oil sands pipeline rejected

    Quote Originally Posted by liblady View Post
    which is, of course, silly.
    3 years of failure to get the economy going and billions wasted on "shovel ready jobs", failed solar companies andother such.. really using the 20k lost jobs from the pipeline would be silly as the reason to call O a job killer.
    Climate, changes. It takes a particularly uneducated population to buy into the idea that it's their fault climate is changing and further political solutions can fix it.



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    Re: Keystone oil sands pipeline rejected

    Quote Originally Posted by Eighty Deuce View Post
    As I noted, eminent domain for what have always been government regulated routes has always been the norm. This is not some newfound gizmo. If pipelines and power lines had to rely on every land owner being willing, we'd all still be heating with wood stoves. We could have government own the pipelines and power lines if it would make you happier.

    This is not a misuse of eminent domain as happened with Kelo vs. New London. It is completely in accordance with the intent of the Founders as well.
    The oil pipeline is not a public utility,this is a private company wanting oil pipe to all the way to Texas for private use.This is exactly a misuse of eminent domain just like what happened with Kelo vs. New London.This is no different than a Walmart,Home Depot or hotel wanting to use eminent domain to take your property.
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