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    Re: Keystone oil sands pipeline rejected

    Quote Originally Posted by OpportunityCost View Post
    Well maybe they could open an honest to god refinery up in the Northern US...oh wait, environmental concerns have kept that from happening for years.

    Im curious about what they are going to do with that pipeline when they approach Missouri and Illinois because there is water a mere 20 feet down and maybe 6 inches of hardpan and thats pretty much everywhere that is plains territory.
    Have you ever been in an oil refinery? Most refineries have plenty of land and they just keep expanding to meet the market demand. That right-wing notion of needing new oil refineries is ridiculous. That crap was started by the oil companies to excuse their price gouging. The oil companies have been trying to sell their refineries and many have been idled and closed.

    The one place that really need one was Arizona, but it doesn't have a crude supply. Arizona gets product from refineries in California via pipeline.

    You aren't going to find investors wanting to build an oil refinery, because people who have those large sums of money aren't going to waste it on a stupid idea.

    Your talking points about environmental concerns are meaningless.

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    Re: Keystone oil sands pipeline rejected

    Quote Originally Posted by upsideguy View Post
    Pretty much tells the story...
    And yet the unemployment rate has gone from 7.5% when Obama took office to 10% today. Doesn't matter how many jobs have been added, only how many are working.

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    Re: Keystone oil sands pipeline rejected

    Quote Originally Posted by Gill View Post
    And yet the unemployment rate has gone from 7.5% when Obama took office to 10% today. Doesn't matter how many jobs have been added, only how many are working.

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    Re: Keystone oil sands pipeline rejected

    Quote Originally Posted by Karl View Post
    Do you have some comment or are you just trolling as you usually do ??

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    Re: Keystone oil sands pipeline rejected

    Quote Originally Posted by Gill View Post
    Do you have some comment or are you just trolling as you usually do ??
    The comment is self evident (there are two, actually). However, if I were trolling, you shouldn't bite on the hook

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    Re: Keystone oil sands pipeline rejected

    Quote Originally Posted by Gill View Post

    The website is actually not only current, as is the map, it is the TransCanada site, as is the map. As of right now, that map is as up to date as possible, primarily because the "Rerouting" you so clearly understand is a done deal, is not only far from reality in the physical sense, it has yet to even be studied by the state dept:

    "On Monday, TransCanada Corp. announced that it reached an agreement with the Nebraska state government to amend the route of the proposed Keystone XL pipeline to bypass the Sandhills region, an environmentally sensitive area that sits atop the heavily-utilized Ogallala Aquifer. As part of the agreement, the state will fund studies to evaluate alternative routes.

    Today, the Nebraska state legislature will consider the proposed law that will direct the Nebraska Department of Environmental Quality to prepare a supplemental environmental impact statement for the Nebraska Governor.

    This development follows last week’s U.S. State Department ruling that required TransCanada to examine new routes, as well as an earlier announcement by President Obama indicating that the decision whether to approve Keystone XL would be delayed until after the 2012 Presidential elections. A U.S. State Department spokesman indicated that any agreement between the state of Nebraska and TransCanada will not alter the review process undertaken by the federal agency."
    -from your own link, by the way, there is more to research than a cut and paste lob...you need to not only READ the data, you should probably understand it.

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    Re: Keystone oil sands pipeline rejected

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    And where is the harm in that? Let China spend their trillions developing the technology and then Americans, or whomever, can improve on it.

    That's what has been happing with technology forever, and it is not a bad thing. There us no shame in letting others develop first and then building on that. And it would be interesting to see China complain about any 'piracy' as a result of others copying their advancements.
    LOL! Well, I can't argue with that too much but at the same time I'm not sure I would want our products ten years from now to be compared to China's now.

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    NASA should be auctioned off. There is no longer any need for its existence.
    Do you feel the same way about the FAA and NHTSA? If so, then we'll have to agree to disagree. If not, then maybe you should look a little farther down the road.

    I'm also not sure I want some non-government agency training our astronauts. Are you willing to put military officers under private control like that?



    Quote Originally Posted by Gill View Post
    And yet the unemployment rate has gone from 7.5% when Obama took office to 10% today. Doesn't matter how many jobs have been added, only how many are working.
    Com'on - if we're going to quote numbers then let's get them right: Bureau of Labor Statistics Data

    Unemployment Jan 2009: 7.8%
    Unemployment Dec 2011: 8.5%

    And I'm sure you won't be blaming all that on Obama? You do understand it's the biggest economic upheaval since 1930 and wasn't started by him?
    Last edited by MoSurveyor; 02-01-12 at 12:21 PM.

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    Re: Keystone oil sands pipeline rejected

    Quote Originally Posted by tecoyah View Post
    The website is actually not only current, as is the map, it is the TransCanada site, as is the map. As of right now, that map is as up to date as possible, primarily because the "Rerouting" you so clearly understand is a done deal, is not only far from reality in the physical sense, it has yet to even be studied by the state dept:

    "On Monday, TransCanada Corp. announced that it reached an agreement with the Nebraska state government to amend the route of the proposed Keystone XL pipeline to bypass the Sandhills region, an environmentally sensitive area that sits atop the heavily-utilized Ogallala Aquifer. As part of the agreement, the state will fund studies to evaluate alternative routes.

    Today, the Nebraska state legislature will consider the proposed law that will direct the Nebraska Department of Environmental Quality to prepare a supplemental environmental impact statement for the Nebraska Governor.

    This development follows last week’s U.S. State Department ruling that required TransCanada to examine new routes, as well as an earlier announcement by President Obama indicating that the decision whether to approve Keystone XL would be delayed until after the 2012 Presidential elections. A U.S. State Department spokesman indicated that any agreement between the state of Nebraska and TransCanada will not alter the review process undertaken by the federal agency."
    -from your own link, by the way, there is more to research than a cut and paste lob...you need to not only READ the data, you should probably understand it.
    So, it is your opinion that the news releases from the governor of Nebraska's office as well as the news release from TransCanada are incorrect ????

    Now I see why you have so many problems with this topic.

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    Re: Keystone oil sands pipeline rejected

    Quote Originally Posted by MoSurveyor View Post
    Com'on - if we're going to quote numbers then let's get them right: Bureau of Labor Statistics Data

    Unemployment Jan 2009: 7.8%
    Unemployment Dec 2011: 8.5%

    And I'm sure you won't be blaming all that on Obama? You do understand it's the biggest economic upheaval since 1930 and wasn't started by him?
    Guess you didn't see the CBO report that just came out:

    Had that portion of the decline in the labor force participation rate since 2007 that is attributable to neither the aging of the baby boomers nor the downturn in the business cycle (on the basis of the experience in previous downturns) not occurred, the unemployment rate in the fourth quarter of 2011 would have been about 1 percentage points higher than the actual rate of 8.7 percent

    Congressional Budget Office - The Budget and Economic Outlook: Fiscal Years 2012 to 2022

    Yeah, I know.........Obama has been the greatest president in history. I prefer to take him up on his offer to be a one-term president if he doesn't improve the economy.

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    Re: Keystone oil sands pipeline rejected

    Quote Originally Posted by Gill View Post
    So, it is your opinion that the news releases from the governor of Nebraska's office as well as the news release from TransCanada are incorrect ????

    Now I see why you have so many problems with this topic.
    Obviously I do not see either as incorrect, considering I used them in my posts. There really is no reason to become agitated and resort to unpleasant comments...this is usually a sign that frustration is building. I prefer not to cause or feel this frustration, so if it could be lessened, I would appreciate it.

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