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    Re: Keystone oil sands pipeline rejected

    Well maybe they could open an honest to god refinery up in the Northern US...oh wait, environmental concerns have kept that from happening for years.

    Im curious about what they are going to do with that pipeline when they approach Missouri and Illinois because there is water a mere 20 feet down and maybe 6 inches of hardpan and thats pretty much everywhere that is plains territory.

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    Re: Keystone oil sands pipeline rejected

    Quote Originally Posted by tecoyah View Post
    I would recommend you look at the TransCanada website...then attempt to state the above again.
    Keystone Pipeline Map






    I take it you decided not to read the information because it says "Blog" in the link, perhaps you might actually open it?
    The map is out of date, just like you are:

    Keystone XL rerouted to bypass Sandhills region
    Posted on November 15, 2011

    On Monday, TransCanada Corp. announced that it reached an agreement with the Nebraska state government to amend the route of the proposed Keystone XL pipeline to bypass the Sandhills region, an environmentally sensitive area that sits atop the heavily-utilized Ogallala Aquifer. As part of the agreement, the state will fund studies to evaluate alternative routes.

    Today, the Nebraska state legislature will consider the proposed law that will direct the Nebraska Department of Environmental Quality to prepare a supplemental environmental impact statement for the Nebraska Governor.

    This development follows last week’s U.S. State Department ruling that required TransCanada to examine new routes, as well as an earlier announcement by President Obama indicating that the decision whether to approve Keystone XL would be delayed until after the 2012 Presidential elections. A U.S. State Department spokesman indicated that any agreement between the state of Nebraska and TransCanada will not alter the review process undertaken by the federal agency.
    Keystone XL rerouted to bypass Sandhills region : Canadian Energy Law

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    Re: Keystone oil sands pipeline rejected

    At the same site that you linked to:

    Media Advisory - State of Nebraska to Play Major Role in Defining New Keystone XL Route Away From the Sandhills

    Lincoln, Nebraska - November 14, 2011 - TransCanada Corporation (TSX, NYSE: TRP) (TransCanada) today announced it supports proposed legislation within the State of Nebraska to move the Keystone XL pipeline project forward. This legislation, introduced earlier today in the State legislature, if passed, will ensure a pipeline route will be developed in Nebraska that avoids the Sandhills.

    "I am pleased to tell you that the positive conversations we have had with Nebraska leaders have resulted in legislation that respects the concerns of Nebraskans and supports the development of the Keystone XL pipeline," said Alex Pourbaix, TransCanada's president, Energy and Oil Pipelines. "I can confirm the route will be changed and Nebraskans will play an important role in determining the final route."

    Working together with the State Department, Nebraska's Department of Environmental Quality will conduct an environmental assessment to define the best location for Keystone XL in Nebraska. We will cooperate with these agencies and provide them with the information they need to complete a thorough review that addresses concerns regarding the Sandhills region.
    Now, tell me again..............what were you saying about someone's lack of research ?????

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    Re: Keystone oil sands pipeline rejected

    What do you think would happen to the oil when it reached the Gulf Coast? Are they going to use it all in Biloxi?
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    Refine it into a thousand different products.
    That's right, it will be refined and then transported over land and sea -- just as it would be if it was refined in the mid west.

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    Re: Keystone oil sands pipeline rejected

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    That's right, it will be refined and then transported over land and sea -- just as it would be if it was refined in the mid west.
    Do you have a point ??

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    Re: Keystone oil sands pipeline rejected

    Yo Gill, since you claim to be a construction engineer, maybe you can tell me what this construction engineer is trying to say?

    There has been a lot of talk about the safety of the proposed Keystone XL pipeline.

    I am not an environmentalist, but as a civil engineer and an inspector for TransCanada during the construction of the first Keystone pipeline, I've had an uncomfortable front-row seat to the disaster that Keystone XL could bring about all along its pathway.

    Despite its boosters' advertising, this project is not about jobs or energy security. It is about money. And whenever my former employer Bechtel, working on behalf of TransCanada, had to choose between safety and saving money, they chose to save money.

    As an inspector, my job was to monitor the construction of the first Keystone pipeline. I oversaw construction at the pump stations that have been such a problem on that line, which has already spilled more than a dozen times. I am coming forward because my kids encouraged me to tell the truth about what was done and covered up.

    When I last raised concerns about corners being cut, I lost my job — but people along the Keystone XL pathway have a lot more to lose if this project moves forward with the same shoddy work.

    What did I see? Cheap foreign steel that cracked when workers tried to weld it, foundations for pump stations that you would never consider using in your own home, fudged safety tests, Bechtel staffers explaining away leaks during pressure tests as "not too bad," shortcuts on the steel and rebar that are essential for safe pipeline operation and siting of facilities on completely inappropriate spots like wetlands.

    I shared these concerns with my bosses, who communicated them to the bigwigs at TransCanada, but nothing changed. TransCanada didn't appear to care. That is why I was not surprised to hear about the big spill in Ludden, N.D., where a 60-foot plume of crude spewed tens of thousands of gallons of toxic tar sands oil and fouled neighboring fields.


    Read more: Mike Klink: Keystone XL pipeline not safe

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    Re: Keystone oil sands pipeline rejected

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    Yo Gill, since you claim to be a construction engineer, maybe you can tell me what this construction engineer is trying to say?
    He's trying to say there are problems that need to be fixed. Sounds pretty obvious to me.

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    Re: Keystone oil sands pipeline rejected

    Quote Originally Posted by Gill View Post
    He's trying to say there are problems that need to be fixed. Sounds pretty obvious to me.
    Yeah, that's what I thought. Sounds like this project needs an extensive review process, right?

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    Re: Keystone oil sands pipeline rejected

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    Yeah, that's what I thought. Sounds like this project needs an extensive review process, right?
    Sounds like if there are problems, they need to be fixed..........just like on any construction project.

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    Re: Keystone oil sands pipeline rejected

    Quote Originally Posted by Gill View Post
    Those numbers during Obama's 36 months in office have only occurred 9 times. I do consider that paltry and inconsequential when compared to the monthly job losses during the rest of his term.
    Pretty much tells the story...
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