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    Re: Keystone oil sands pipeline rejected

    Quote Originally Posted by Gill View Post
    Poisoning WHAT resource ??? There was no "test" pipeline that I've ever heard of. There are hundreds of other pipelines that crisscross the entire country. The alternative is to put the oil into Warren Buffet's rail cars which are far more prone to oil spillage than a pipeline.
    They aren't going to put chunks of this bitumen in rail cars....... that's propaganda.

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    Re: Keystone oil sands pipeline rejected

    Quote Originally Posted by Gill View Post
    Oh, I would have absolutely no problem owning an electric car, IF it had similar range and cargo capacity as a gas vehicle. As for swapping battery packs at a station..........they'd better have a crane handy because those things weigh hundreds of pounds.
    I know and I would expect something along those lines - assuming innovation doesn't change the game overnight. With something this new you never know what tomorrow will bring.

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    Re: Keystone oil sands pipeline rejected

    Quote Originally Posted by Gill View Post
    Poisoning WHAT resource ???
    Uh....this, for one:
    The Ogallala Aquifer occupies the High Plains of the United States, extending northward from western Texas to South Dakota. The Ogallala is the leading geologic formation in what is known as the High Plains Aquifer System. The entire system underlies about 450,000 square kilometers (174,000 square miles) of eight states. Although there are several other minor geologic formations in the High Plains Aquifer System, such as the Tertiary Brule and Arikaree and the Dakota formations of the Cretaceous, these several units are often referred to as the Ogallala Aquifer.

    Read more: Ogallala Aquifer - depth, important, system, source Ogallala Aquifer - depth, important, system, source






    Quote Originally Posted by Gill View Post
    There was no "test" pipeline that I've ever heard of. There are hundreds of other pipelines that crisscross the entire country. The alternative is to put the oil into Warren Buffet's rail cars which are far more prone to oil spillage than a pipeline.
    Seriously dude, are you incapable of research, or simply unwilling.

    "The first Keystone tar sands pipeline, constructed less than a year ago, has sprung its twelfth leak, spilling up to 2,100 gallons of raw tar sands crude oil in Kansas on May 29th when a pipeline fitting around a pressure transmitter failed. This comes just three weeks after a broken pipe fitting on Keystone resulted in a 60’ geyser of tar sands crude, spewing 21,000 gallons in North Dakota. "


    The first Keystone tar sands pipeline spills again - providing twelve reasons not to fast-track the Keystone XL tar sands pipeline | Anthony Swift's Blog | Switchboard, from NRDC

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    Re: Keystone oil sands pipeline rejected

    Quote Originally Posted by sharon View Post
    Look up "job years".. The construction jobs are temporary as they move from place to place. For a while local restaurants, boarding houses, motels will be busy at least until that section of the pipeline is completed and the crews move on.

    I am retired....

    Ok, I understand what 'job years' are. I worked in the construction industry for a decade trucking aggregate materiel. the point is that these workers are not individual contractors. Many if not all are employed by companies that are in business doing many different facets of construction, and likely would increase employment with a project like this, and work contracts. When those contracts are done, they constantly build their base to either maintain the business, or replace finished jobs.

    You are retired, ok, great. I hope to someday get there, but I will have retired from trucking, what did you retire from?

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    Re: Keystone oil sands pipeline rejected

    Quote Originally Posted by tecoyah View Post
    Uh....this, for one:
    The Ogallala Aquifer occupies the High Plains of the United States, extending northward from western Texas to South Dakota. The Ogallala is the leading geologic formation in what is known as the High Plains Aquifer System. The entire system underlies about 450,000 square kilometers (174,000 square miles) of eight states. Although there are several other minor geologic formations in the High Plains Aquifer System, such as the Tertiary Brule and Arikaree and the Dakota formations of the Cretaceous, these several units are often referred to as the Ogallala Aquifer.

    Read more: Ogallala Aquifer - depth, important, system, source Ogallala Aquifer - depth, important, system, source








    Seriously dude, are you incapable of research, or simply unwilling.

    "The first Keystone tar sands pipeline, constructed less than a year ago, has sprung its twelfth leak, spilling up to 2,100 gallons of raw tar sands crude oil in Kansas on May 29th when a pipeline fitting around a pressure transmitter failed. This comes just three weeks after a broken pipe fitting on Keystone resulted in a 60’ geyser of tar sands crude, spewing 21,000 gallons in North Dakota. "


    The first Keystone tar sands pipeline spills again - providing twelve reasons not to fast-track the Keystone XL tar sands pipeline | Anthony Swift's Blog | Switchboard, from NRDC
    Although I could rail on about using a blog from the NRDC, as your back up to your claims, it would be a better question to ask you if you know how fast that spill was cleaned up, and if there was any lasting damage to the environment due to it?

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    Re: Keystone oil sands pipeline rejected

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Ok, I understand what 'job years' are. I worked in the construction industry for a decade trucking aggregate materiel. the point is that these workers are not individual contractors. Many if not all are employed by companies that are in business doing many different facets of construction, and likely would increase employment with a project like this, and work contracts. When those contracts are done, they constantly build their base to either maintain the business, or replace finished jobs.

    You are retired, ok, great. I hope to someday get there, but I will have retired from trucking, what did you retire from?

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    I owned and developed several businesses when I was young, went back to school to study law and then went into corporate America.

    I know they aren't individual contractors... but the companies may not have continuous pipeline projects after Keystone xl is complete.

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    Re: Keystone oil sands pipeline rejected

    Quote Originally Posted by sharon View Post
    I owned and developed several businesses when I was young, went back to school to study law and then went into corporate America.

    I know they aren't individual contractors... but the companies may not have continuous pipeline projects after Keystone xl is complete.

    Ok, so then I still have no idea if you know about the construction trade, but it seems, and I am not trying to insult here, but it seems as though maybe your expertise is in fields other than that. Because, see, I do know a little about it, and I can assure you that there are many facets to the field, and laying this pipe is not the only thing they do. I would be willing to bet that the same firms that get hired and increase their employment due to this project are like say on the level of say, AmericanInfrastructure Inc. A major builder of Highway, Roads, and major building projects. The pipeline would one of many projects to a firm like this, and a good possibility would be that the jobs created by the pipeline wouldn't, or couldn't become permanent pathways to employment to a good company with good track records, and benefits for someone now that has nothing.

    It is kind of like when my wonderful wife and I were talking, about her own job search, see she is a 20 year Graphic designer that worked for a Tribune owned local paper in Maryland, and was bought out. It took several different jobs, and now I can sadly say three years for her to find anything that she can do, and it is part time, at half her original hourly rate that she made, and that was at this point anything, even temporary work is gladly acceptable. We needed the income.

    To dismiss even a temp job, if that is what it would be just because it isn't 'good enough' for you is IMHO damning someone to continue their present misery. Why would that be acceptable?


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    Re: Keystone oil sands pipeline rejected

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Although I could rail on about using a blog from the NRDC, as your back up to your claims,
    Would you prefer Forbes...or one of the other hundreds of sources, again I must ask if you simply do not research anything?

    "Concerns About TransCanada's Super-Sizing

    Keystone pipeline and Keystone XL

    The last thing you want when you’re waiting to get a new construction permit approved is for one of your existing buildings to collapse.

    It’s just doesn’t inspire confidence.

    That’s the situation facing TransCanada Corp. following a 20,000 gallon spill Saturday from its Keystone oil pipeline. The Canadian company is waiting for approval from the U.S. State Department to build a controversial $7 billion, “Keystone XL,” a larger, longer pipeline to carry heavy oil from oil sand fields in Alberta nearly 2,000 miles to refineries in Texas.

    The Keystone pipeline (30″ pipe) only goes as far as Oklahoma and moves roughly a half-million barrels of oil a day. It’s big brother (36″ pipe) could carry twice that volume and stretch all the way down to southernmost Texas."






    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    it would be a better question to ask you if you know how fast that spill was cleaned up, and if there was any lasting damage to the environment due to it?

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    Likely, it will never be cleaned:
    "But while an oil spill in the Gulf of Mexico presents its own unique hurdles to cleanup efforts – it is the world’s ninth largest body of water, after all – the workers in Montana are dealing with something quite different. The Yellowstone waters are moving quickly: 5 to 7 mph, according to National Wildlife Federation senior scientist Doug Inkley. That has several effects. First, the rushing water is dispersing the oil far away from the spill site so that it is harder for the booms and pads to pick up. Second, steps like skimming and burning aren’t going to be effective because the wide dispersal of the oil means there aren’t any large quantities of crude on the water surface. And finally, the swollen, volatile waters from the flood make it difficult for boats to get out on the river to assess the condition, which hampers efficient cleanup.

    “This is a time of peak water flow in the Yellowstone River because its water supply is water from snow runoff, which is occurring at maximum rates now given that it’s July,” Inkley explained. “And if there is any rough water whatsoever, [the booms and pads] are essentially ineffective. They’re not going to get that oil back.”


    Read more: The Yellowstone Oil Spill May Be More Difficult to Clean Up Than the BP Gulf Spill | Ecocentric | TIME.com

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    Re: Keystone oil sands pipeline rejected

    Quote Originally Posted by tecoyah View Post
    Would you prefer Forbes...or one of the other hundreds of sources, again I must ask if you simply do not research anything?

    "Concerns About TransCanada's Super-Sizing

    Keystone pipeline and Keystone XL

    The last thing you want when you’re waiting to get a new construction permit approved is for one of your existing buildings to collapse.

    It’s just doesn’t inspire confidence.

    That’s the situation facing TransCanada Corp. following a 20,000 gallon spill Saturday from its Keystone oil pipeline. The Canadian company is waiting for approval from the U.S. State Department to build a controversial $7 billion, “Keystone XL,” a larger, longer pipeline to carry heavy oil from oil sand fields in Alberta nearly 2,000 miles to refineries in Texas.

    The Keystone pipeline (30″ pipe) only goes as far as Oklahoma and moves roughly a half-million barrels of oil a day. It’s big brother (36″ pipe) could carry twice that volume and stretch all the way down to southernmost Texas."








    Likely, it will never be cleaned:
    "But while an oil spill in the Gulf of Mexico presents its own unique hurdles to cleanup efforts – it is the world’s ninth largest body of water, after all – the workers in Montana are dealing with something quite different. The Yellowstone waters are moving quickly: 5 to 7 mph, according to National Wildlife Federation senior scientist Doug Inkley. That has several effects. First, the rushing water is dispersing the oil far away from the spill site so that it is harder for the booms and pads to pick up. Second, steps like skimming and burning aren’t going to be effective because the wide dispersal of the oil means there aren’t any large quantities of crude on the water surface. And finally, the swollen, volatile waters from the flood make it difficult for boats to get out on the river to assess the condition, which hampers efficient cleanup.

    “This is a time of peak water flow in the Yellowstone River because its water supply is water from snow runoff, which is occurring at maximum rates now given that it’s July,” Inkley explained. “And if there is any rough water whatsoever, [the booms and pads] are essentially ineffective. They’re not going to get that oil back.”


    Read more: The Yellowstone Oil Spill May Be More Difficult to Clean Up Than the BP Gulf Spill | Ecocentric | TIME.com
    Wait a minute, these are two different spills you are talking about, right?


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    Re: Keystone oil sands pipeline rejected

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Ok, so then I still have no idea if you know about the construction trade, but it seems, and I am not trying to insult here, but it seems as though maybe your expertise is in fields other than that. Because, see, I do know a little about it, and I can assure you that there are many facets to the field, and laying this pipe is not the only thing they do. I would be willing to bet that the same firms that get hired and increase their employment due to this project are like say on the level of say, AmericanInfrastructure Inc. A major builder of Highway, Roads, and major building projects. The pipeline would one of many projects to a firm like this, and a good possibility would be that the jobs created by the pipeline wouldn't, or couldn't become permanent pathways to employment to a good company with good track records, and benefits for someone now that has nothing.

    It is kind of like when my wonderful wife and I were talking, about her own job search, see she is a 20 year Graphic designer that worked for a Tribune owned local paper in Maryland, and was bought out. It took several different jobs, and now I can sadly say three years for her to find anything that she can do, and it is part time, at half her original hourly rate that she made, and that was at this point anything, even temporary work is gladly acceptable. We needed the income.

    To dismiss even a temp job, if that is what it would be just because it isn't 'good enough' for you is IMHO damning someone to continue their present misery. Why would that be acceptable?


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    Yes.. I am aware of all sorts of requirement to build a pipeline.. I used to fly TAPLINE in a piper cub with my dad before computerized monitoring.

    TransCanada Corp. has selected Quanta Services-owned Price Gregory Services to be part of MPS Constructors, a joint venture made up of Michels Corp., Price Gregory Services and Sheehan Pipe Line Construction, that will build the 1,179-mile section of Keystone XL between Hardisty, Alberta, to Steele City, NB, and related infrastructure that are part of the project.

    continued.

    JV Selected By TransCanada To Build Keystone XL Pipeline | Pipeline News

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