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    Re: Keystone oil sands pipeline rejected

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    Well, I definitely agree with the last part.
    This new project is a humdinger and will generate billions..

    I am so excited to see them having such a good time with its development.

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    Re: Keystone oil sands pipeline rejected

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    Yep, a plug in every garage, eh ???

    Just what the world needs, a car that will only go 160 miles before having to be plugged in overnight. That will definitely help the airline industry since no one will be able to take a driving vacation any more.
    see, that's why we haven't progressed, thinking like yours. we have many 2 car families, MANY, and their second car could easily be a hybrid or electric. there are plugs on my downtown streets, and if i were to buy a new car it would at least be a hybrid. if i needed to drive longer distances, i would rent a car. very simple, and as green as i could go.

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    Re: Keystone oil sands pipeline rejected

    Quote Originally Posted by liblady View Post
    see, that's why we haven't progressed, thinking like yours. we have many 2 car families, MANY, and their second car could easily be a hybrid or electric. there are plugs on my downtown streets, and if i were to buy a new car it would at least be a hybrid. if i needed to drive longer distances, i would rent a car. very simple, and as green as i could go.
    Of course most families also have more than one car. No reason a couple couldn't have one EV and one plugin hybrid, if they're the sorts who tend to take driving vacations.

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    Re: Keystone oil sands pipeline rejected

    Quote Originally Posted by liblady View Post
    see, that's why we haven't progressed, thinking like yours. we have many 2 car families, MANY, and their second car could easily be a hybrid or electric. there are plugs on my downtown streets, and if i were to buy a new car it would at least be a hybrid. if i needed to drive longer distances, i would rent a car. very simple, and as green as i could go.
    Well, I'm glad that will work for you. Unfortunately for people like me, it won't. I have a personal truck for my wife and I, plus I have a company provided truck. I can't haul all I need to without either one. Besides, it is 15 miles to the closest grocery store, pharmacy, etc so any plug in available today at a decent price would not work. Besides, the cost of electricity is sky rocketing thanks to Obama. My last electric bill had a $50 EPA surcharge on it.

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    Re: Keystone oil sands pipeline rejected

    Quote Originally Posted by Gill View Post
    Yep, a plug in every garage, eh ???

    Just what the world needs, a car that will only go 160 miles before having to be plugged in overnight. That will definitely help the airline industry since no one will be able to take a driving vacation any more.
    Perhaps the airline industry might consider the same plug-in option. That should eliminate the line-ups at the airport. Even the terrorists would hesitate before boarding.

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    Re: Keystone oil sands pipeline rejected

    Quote Originally Posted by Gill View Post
    Well, I'm glad that will work for you. Unfortunately for people like me, it won't. I have a personal truck for my wife and I, plus I have a company provided truck. I can't haul all I need to without either one. Besides, it is 15 miles to the closest grocery store, pharmacy, etc so any plug in available today at a decent price would not work. Besides, the cost of electricity is sky rocketing thanks to Obama. My last electric bill had a $50 EPA surcharge on it.
    I understand, people don't like change.

    Fact is, even at very high rates the electricity for a car is almost nothing compared to the cost of gasoline. (edit: I think Tesla says $3 for it's 240 mile range. Even if it's double that it's still less than the cost of a gallon of gas to go 120 miles.)

    The model-T probably couldn't go very far on a tank of gas, either, and I bet gas stations were harder to find then than electrical outlets are now.

    As for re-charging, I think eventually we'll have standard battery packs just like we have standard size batteries. Pull into a station, swap the pack, and you're on the road again. We're only at the first generation, just starting on the second generation - lots of room for improvement this early in a technology.
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    Re: Keystone oil sands pipeline rejected

    I cannot understand (unless I think the worst), why anyone who has delved, even remotely into this thing would see it as a remotely good idea. The trade off of let's just say 20,000 jobs for the likely poisoning of a resource that cannot be replenished in any thing but geological time for millions of Americans just seems a no brainer to anyone with foresight. The "Test" pipeline with less than a third the length, had 12 spills last year.


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    Re: Keystone oil sands pipeline rejected

    Quote Originally Posted by MoSurveyor View Post
    I understand, people don't like change.

    Fact is, even at very high rates the electricity for a car is almost nothing compared to the cost of gasoline.

    The model-T probably couldn't go very far on a tank of gas, either, and I bet gas stations were harder to find then than electrical outlets are now.

    As for re-charging, I think eventually we'll have standard battery packs just like we have standard size batteries. Pull into a station, swap the pack, and you're on the road again. We're only at the first generation, just starting on the second generation - lots of room for improvement this early in a technology.
    Oh, I would have absolutely no problem owning an electric car, IF it had similar range and cargo capacity as a gas vehicle. As for swapping battery packs at a station..........they'd better have a crane handy because those things weigh hundreds of pounds.

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    Re: Keystone oil sands pipeline rejected

    Quote Originally Posted by tecoyah View Post
    I cannot understand (unless I think the worst), why anyone who has delved, even remotely into this thing would see it as a remotely good idea. The trade off of let's just say 20,000 jobs for the likely poisoning of a resource that cannot be replenished in any thing but geological time for millions of Americans just seems a no brainer to anyone with foresight. The "Test" pipeline with less than a third the length, had 12 spills last year
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    Poisoning WHAT resource ??? There was no "test" pipeline that I've ever heard of. There are hundreds of other pipelines that crisscross the entire country. The alternative is to put the oil into Warren Buffet's rail cars which are far more prone to oil spillage than a pipeline.

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    Re: Keystone oil sands pipeline rejected

    Quote Originally Posted by Gill View Post
    Poisoning WHAT resource ??? There was no "test" pipeline that I've ever heard of. There are hundreds of other pipelines that crisscross the entire country. The alternative is to put the oil into Warren Buffet's rail cars which are far more prone to oil spillage than a pipeline.
    What do you think would happen to the oil when it reached the Gulf Coast? Are they going to use it all in Biloxi?

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