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    Re: Keystone oil sands pipeline rejected

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    So the United States doesn't need those 3200 temp jobs or 300-400 permanent jobs, even though they are just your uneducated guesses. And Trans Canada doesn't have to explain anything. Americans should be able to figure out for themselves.

    Yours is a rather cavalier approach for a country that is having high unemployment as well as potential long term energy problems. Maybe Stimulus 3 for Synergy might work again.

    Or perhaps instead of being first to invent a reliable source of solar energy, why not wait until the Germans or Chinese invent it and then use their technology? Or improve on it? That's what other countries have successfully done.

    Of course that would eliminate the opportunities for political payoffs and crony capitalism, which appears to be the main thrust behind all these trillions being spent.
    No .. not guesses.. I have documented it over and over again.

    US consumption is going down and domestic production is going up.

    Keystone appears to be a boondoggle. We have 2.5 million miles of pipeline in the US and most of it isn't running to capacity.

    This 700,000 barrels isn't new oil.. it will just by pass our Mid West refineries.

    You can always tell an A$$hole.. its someone who jumps at a chance to be rude without the facts on any subject.

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    Re: Keystone oil sands pipeline rejected

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    So where is the 'social ban'?

    It was a silly joke, meant as a silly joke, that never had any long term consequences.
    I guess we just have different definitions. I suppose you'd call making fun of someone with a big nose or overweight a "silly joke", too? Well, some people are like that.

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    Re: Keystone oil sands pipeline rejected

    Quote Originally Posted by MoSurveyor View Post
    I guess we just have different definitions. I suppose you'd call making fun of someone with a big nose or overweight a "silly joke", too? Well, some people are like that.
    Those are insults directed at an individual which is quite different from joking about freedom fries.

    Cheese eating surrender monkeys would be worse than that, as well as all the web sites devoted to laughing at the French. Calling someone fat or claiming they have a big nose doesn't contain any humor at all.

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    Re: Keystone oil sands pipeline rejected

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    Quote Originally Posted by sharon View Post
    No .. not guesses.. I have documented it over and over again.
    Sorry, I never saw your previous documentations. I suppose I only saw those which were far more optimistic.

    US consumption is going down and domestic production is going up.
    Great. Soon you'll be completely energy efficient.

    Keystone appears to be a boondoggle. We have 2.5 million miles of pipeline in the US and most of it isn't running to capacity.
    You're probably right.

    This 700,000 barrels isn't new oil.. it will just by pass our Mid West refineries.
    Exactly.

    You can always tell an A$$hole.. its someone who jumps at a chance to be rude without the facts on any subject.
    Indeed.

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    Re: Keystone oil sands pipeline rejected

    I think petroleum will be around for a while even if we diversify in terms of local sources like coal and Hydro.. or local applications like solar...

    But our imports have gone from nearly 60% to 49%..

    IMO you can't plan a long term strategy that is successful if your neighbors are put in jeopardy... and for now Canada is importing 43 to 55% of their crude oil from OPEC ..

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    Re: Keystone oil sands pipeline rejected

    Quote Originally Posted by sharon View Post
    I think petroleum will be around for a while even if we diversify in terms of local sources like coal and Hydro.. or local applications like solar...

    But our imports have gone from nearly 60% to 49%..

    IMO you can't plan a long term strategy that is successful if your neighbors are put in jeopardy... and for now Canada is importing 43 to 55% of their crude oil from OPEC ..
    Well it's good to hear that you have a long term strategy.

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    Re: Keystone oil sands pipeline rejected

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    Well it's good to hear that you have a long term strategy.
    Don't you think the US should have a long term strategy?

    Certainly Saudi Arabia, Kuwait and Qatar do.......

    Or are we too busy bashing each other and playing partisan politics?

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    Re: Keystone oil sands pipeline rejected

    Quote Originally Posted by sharon View Post
    Don't you think the US should have a long term strategy?

    Certainly Saudi Arabia, Kuwait and Qatar do.......

    Or are we too busy bashing each other and playing partisan politics?
    No, I don't believe the US has a long term energy strategy but I don't care to debate people's beliefs. It's like debating personal faith.

    I think we're just bashing each other and although I'm just as guilty as the next person, sometimes it just gets too tiresome. I don't do that in my real life so there is little reason why should I do it here.

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    Re: Keystone oil sands pipeline rejected

    Quote Originally Posted by sharon View Post
    [...] Keystone appears to be a boondoggle. [...] This 700,000 barrels isn't new oil.. it will just by pass our Mid West refineries. [...]
    Very interesting. However, it certainly doesn't seem to be a boondoggle -- it seems to be a way for the oil companies to make more money, out of the pockets of American consumers of course. No wonder the GOP loves it

    Here is a summary some of the [NRDC] reportís findings:

    Keystone XL is a pipeline through the United States, not to it. The vast majority of Canadaís export pipelines go to refineries in the U.S. Midwest. These refineries sell gasoline, diesel and motor oil to American consumers. Keystone XL will divert up to 830,000 barrels a day of oil from the Midwest, sending it instead to the Gulf Coast and the international market.

    Keystone XL will increase Midwestern oil prices. [...] TransCanada has acknowledges this, estimating that Keystone XL would increase the price the United States paid for Canadian crude by between $2 billion and $3.9 billion a year.

    New report: Keystone XL will undermine U.S. energy security | Anthony Swift's Blog | Switchboard, from NRDC (links to the actual report included therein)
    This makes the overstated jobs claims rather irrelevant:

    Entrepreneur to small western town, circa 1880: "I want to bring a dozen new jobs to your town!"
    Town council: "Great! Doing what?"
    Entrepreneur: "Building a series of gallows"
    Town council: "Whatcha going to do with those when you get 'em built?"
    Entrepreneur: "Hang all of you"

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    Re: Keystone oil sands pipeline rejected

    Quote Originally Posted by sharon View Post
    [...] IMO you can't plan a long term strategy that is successful if your neighbors are put in jeopardy... and for now Canada is importing 43 to 55% of their crude oil from OPEC ..
    I think you'll find that humanitarian concern for others doesn't make an appearance on the GOP's Top Ten List. . . . .

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