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    Re: Keystone oil sands pipeline rejected

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    There are now, at this moment many pipelines already traversing over the aqua fur, in the Sand Hills region and have operated with no problem.
    The aquifer, yes, the Sand Hills region, no. Look at the pipeline maps, there's a huge hole (no pipelines) in north central Nebraska.

    And it doesn't matter anyway. Nebraska as a state has the right to decide where they want the thing to go. If TransCan wanted this to be as smooth and easy as possible they should have talked to the states along the route before filing, what turned out to be, a bogus route that cost US money to review. It's no one's fault but their own.
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    Re: Keystone oil sands pipeline rejected

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    Umm, sharon said Cananda produces about 2.8 bpd (in 2010):



    And now you're citing the same # to prove that she's wrong?
    Did you learn how to add in the first grade ???

    2.828 mbd of conventional

    PLUS

    1.616 mbd of bitumen oil


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    Re: Keystone oil sands pipeline rejected

    Quote Originally Posted by MoSurveyor View Post
    The aquifer, yes, the Sand Hills region, no.

    And it doesn't matter anyway. Nebraska as a state has the right to decide where they want the thing to go. If TransCan wanted this to be as smooth and easy as possible they should have talked to the states along the route before filing, what turned out to be, a bogus route that cost US money to review. It's no one's fault but their own.
    Nebraska negotiated with TransCanada last November and the pipeline was moved east of the aquifer and the Sand Hills, so this is now a moot point.

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    Re: Keystone oil sands pipeline rejected

    Quote Originally Posted by Gill View Post
    Ahh, ahhh, ahhh..........you can't change your facts in midstream.

    You originally said Canada PRODUCES 2.5 million barrels per YEAR.

    Now you are switching to EXPORTING 2.2 million barrels per DAY, which is correct.

    Your production figure does not appear that it includes tar sand bitumen, which contributes almost 800,000 barrels a day. Canadian oil production in 2011 was over 2.9 million barrels per day, NOT including the bitumen.
    Canada NOW produces more bitumen than conventional oil..

    Try this:

    North Sea decline has forced eastern Canada to increasingly rely on Algeria, Angola and Iraq to fill the gap, all countries with political stability risks.

    Hughes’ analysis of the drop in export capacity of key “safe suppliers” fits nicely with the work of Jeff Brown, Robert Hirsch, Jeff Rubin, and Paul Stevens, all of whom have addressed the impending threat of oil export decline. Hughes’ analysis appears to be unique insofar as he has applied the export decline syndrome to the energy security of a specific import-dependent region.

    In the case of eastern Canada, there is the obvious solution of supplying this region from western Canada. Hughes examines this and other options, and points out certain complications, including the decline in crude production in Atlantic Canada, the lack of pipeline infrastructure from western Canada to Atlantic Canada, and Canada’s commitment to exporting crude oil to the United States under the terms of the North American Free trade Agreement (NAFTA).

    Other import-dependent regions are facing similar problems and would do well to undertake a similar analysis of their own supply of imports, how their supply sources may be changing, and the prognosis for future long-term import supply.

    Meanwhile, the overriding warning is clear: we cannot all be importers.

    Review of "Eastern Canadian crude oil supply and its implications for regional energy security" | Energy Bulletin

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    Re: Keystone oil sands pipeline rejected

    Quote Originally Posted by Gill View Post
    Nebraska negotiated with TransCanada last November and the pipeline was moved east of the aquifer and the Sand Hills, so this is now a moot point.
    Except that 500 miles of new routing now has to be reviewed and approved. That takes time. Sure, we're not waiting on Nebraska anymore but they're part of the reason it's taking so long.

    People are screaming because it took Uncle Sam 3 years to review a 1500 mile project but it took the State of Nebraska the same three years to look at a map and decide they couldn't live with it. Now that Nebraska is finally happy (though I still don't think it's set in stone yet) everyone expects Uncle Sam to get 500 miles done in three months.

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    Re: Keystone oil sands pipeline rejected

    Quote Originally Posted by MoSurveyor View Post
    Except that 500 miles of new routing now has to be reviewed and approved. That takes time. Sure, we're not waiting on Nebraska anymore but they're part of the reason it's taking so long.

    People are screaming because it took Uncle Sam 3 years to review a 1500 mile project but it took the State of Nebraska the same three years to look at a map and decide they couldn't live with it. Now that Nebraska is finally happy (though I still don't think it's set in stone yet) everyone expects Uncle Sam to get 500 miles done in three months.
    TransCanada is now considering building the pipeline in the U.S., but not crossing the Canadian border. That way, Obama and the State Department cannot deny its construction.

    By the time the U.S.portion is completed, the border crossing construction will be approved, or even better, Obama will be voted out.

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    Re: Keystone oil sands pipeline rejected

    Quote Originally Posted by Gill View Post
    Did you learn how to add in the first grade ???

    2.828 mbd of conventional

    PLUS

    1.616 mbd of bitumen oil

    She already said that she wasn't including bitumen oil
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    Re: Keystone oil sands pipeline rejected

    Quote Originally Posted by Gill View Post
    TransCanada is now considering building the pipeline in the U.S., but not crossing the Canadian border. That way, Obama and the State Department cannot deny its construction.

    By the time the U.S.portion is completed, the border crossing construction will be approved,
    I'm surprised they haven't started the OK-TX pipeline already. Everyone knows it needs to be done - with companies lining up to use it now - so why they're dragging their feet I'll never know.

    I have nothing against XL at all but I also don't see the urgency.
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    Re: Keystone oil sands pipeline rejected

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    She already said that she wasn't including bitumen oil
    Like she did in this post ???

    Quote Originally Posted by sharon
    Yes, including bitumen. NEB - Pricing - Crude Oil and Petroleum Products - The Canadian Industry

    Look..

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    Re: Keystone oil sands pipeline rejected

    Quote Originally Posted by MoSurveyor View Post
    I'm surprised they haven't started the OK-TX pipeline already. Everyone knows it needs to be done - with companies lining up to use it now - so why they're dragging their feet I'll never know.
    I wouldn't be surprised if they started it soon. They were probably hoping to get approval on the entire project first.

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