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    Re: Keystone oil sands pipeline rejected

    Quote Originally Posted by Gill View Post
    You simply repeated what I had already basically said. Due to the threat of lawsuits and regulations, it is easier to expand existing refineries. New ones can't be economically built due to the high cost of lawsuits and years of regulation compliance.
    This oil will be diverted to lucrative export markets with a tax advantage to foreign owned Canadian companies.

    Canadian refineries and US Mid West refineries will be scrambling to find crude oil to refine...

    It may be a job killer.

    Keystone XL is using current unemployment in the US to jam this pipeline thru by grossly inflating job creation numbers.

    Here: Read the Cornell Study.


    http://www.ilr.cornell.edu/globallab..._Reportpdf.pdf

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    Re: Keystone oil sands pipeline rejected

    Quote Originally Posted by Sheik Yerbuti View Post
    The 3+ million private sector jobs created over the last 2 years nullifies that.
    You should read BLS data instead of Democrat party talking points. By the


    Riiiight ... because the Republicans who caused it in the first place could havefixed it quicker ... they just let it get worse and worse for 3 years running for their own amusement.
    You are obviously confused.

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    Re: Keystone oil sands pipeline rejected

    Quote Originally Posted by Gill View Post
    You should read BLS data instead of Democrat party talking points. By the




    You are obviously confused.
    They won't be expanding refineries in Canada and the Mid West US.. they will not be able to get crude oil.

    http://www.ilr.cornell.edu/globallab..._Reportpdf.pdf

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    Re: Keystone oil sands pipeline rejected

    Quote Originally Posted by Gill View Post
    You should read BLS data instead of Democrat party talking points. By the




    You are obviously confused.
    My numbers come from BLS. You don't know what you're talking about.

    And the confusion is all yours. The economy grew worse every year under Republican leadership during the depression until Democrats took over in 1933; afterwhich, it imroved every year except one. According to your imagination, the party which caused it to occur and the party which caused it to get worse ... according to you, could have fixed it quicker. When the fact is, there is no evidence they could have fixed it at all.

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    Re: Keystone oil sands pipeline rejected

    Quote Originally Posted by Sheik Yerbuti View Post
    [Color=blue]My numbers come from BLS. You don't know what you're talking about.
    To be honest the numbers I saw were a 2.8 million increase (137968k to 140790k) from Dec 2009 to Dec 2011.

    Still, I'm on your side here!

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    Re: Keystone oil sands pipeline rejected

    Quote Originally Posted by sharon View Post
    This oil will be diverted to lucrative export markets with a tax advantage to foreign owned Canadian companies.

    Canadian refineries and US Mid West refineries will be scrambling to find crude oil to refine...

    It may be a job killer.

    Keystone XL is using current unemployment in the US to jam this pipeline thru by grossly inflating job creation numbers.

    Here: Read the Cornell Study.


    http://www.ilr.cornell.edu/globallab..._Reportpdf.pdf
    Because Keystone XL project would divert a huge volume of tar sands oil away from Midwest refineries to be sold at higher prices to Gulf Coast and export markets, it would increase prices consumers pay for gasoline and diesel fuel, adding up to $5 billion to the annual U.S. fuel bill. (U.S. News & World Report, Dec.16)

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    Re: Keystone oil sands pipeline rejected

    Quote Originally Posted by MoSurveyor View Post
    To be honest the numbers I saw were a 2.8 million increase (137968k to 140790k) from Dec 2009 to Dec 2011.

    Still, I'm on your side here!
    I was talking about private sector data...

    12/09: 106835
    12/11: 109928

    Bureau of Labor Statistics Data

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    Re: Keystone oil sands pipeline rejected

    This is NOT a new oil supply.. It just diverts 700,000 bpd to the Gulf Free Trade Zone and away from Mid West Refineries.

    Canadian domestic production is maxxed out for the time being at 2.2 million bpd... and half of that is used domesticlly..

    Canada imports more than half of the crude oil it needs. .... purchasing around 55 per cent of our oil from countries such as Algeria, Saudi Arabia and Venezuela. ....also turning increasingly toward new sources including Russian and African producers.

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    Re: Keystone oil sands pipeline rejected

    Quote Originally Posted by Gill View Post
    You simply repeated what I had already basically said. Due to the threat of lawsuits and regulations, it is easier to expand existing refineries. New ones can't be economically built due to the high cost of lawsuits and years of regulation compliance.
    The regulatory cost and the threat of lawsuits in Alberta would be minimal. This is the province as I stated is allowing strip mining to get the oil in the first place. Building a refinery would be easy in comparison. They are not being built because the costs (labour, equipement etc) do not justify it, when an exisisting one can be expanded at a cheaper cost. Builing an extra unit onto a refinery site with all the supporting infrustructure already in place is far cheaper then building a new refinery without the supporting infrustructure
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    Re: Keystone oil sands pipeline rejected

    Quote Originally Posted by Lord Tammerlain View Post
    The regulatory cost and the threat of lawsuits in Alberta would be minimal. This is the province as I stated is allowing strip mining to get the oil in the first place. Building a refinery would be easy in comparison. They are not being built because the costs (labour, equipement etc) do not justify it, when an exisisting one can be expanded at a cheaper cost. Builing an extra unit onto a refinery site with all the supporting infrustructure already in place is far cheaper then building a new refinery without the supporting infrustructure
    Why would they bother to build new refineries in Canada?

    They can ship south (NAFTA) to refineries in Texas that are in a Free Trade Zone.. The new Chinese owners are working every angle.

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