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    Re: Keystone oil sands pipeline rejected

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    I prefer to believe my eyes and ears before any politician. Barney dug his own grave with his words and actions.
    So you were camping out at the capitol and thus know better than the Republican congressman who actually participated in the events? I guess I can't question that.

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    Re: Keystone oil sands pipeline rejected

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    Thank you, sharon, but are you trying to tell me that "any oil man" as you term it, in Saudi Aramco, Chevron, Hess, Marathon, TOTAL, Occidental, Dutch Shell and so forth will confirm your stance that 20,000 jobs is a total lie?
    I have to say how refreshing it is to hear Republicans so overcome with emotion at the prospect (however unrealistic) of 20,000 jobs when, month after month, you've been telling us how the 120,000 to 200,000 jobs the economy has been adding every month are paltry and inconsequential. Cheers for that.

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    Re: Keystone oil sands pipeline rejected

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    So you were camping out at the capitol and thus know better than the Republican congressman who actually participated in the events? I guess I can't question that.
    Ever heard of Youtube??

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    Re: Keystone oil sands pipeline rejected

    Quote Originally Posted by Lord Tammerlain View Post
    I have a question for all the people who feel that rabid environmentalists are preventing new refiniers from being built in the US


    Since the rational behind the Keystone pipeline is to transport Albertan oil to be refined and upgraded in the US, because no oil company wants to build one in Alberta because of the economics ( and trust me, a refinery could easily pass any environmental requirements in Alberta and get built if an oil company wanted to pay for one. We are after all talking about a province that is allowing for strip mining of hundreds if not thousands of square miles to extract the oil. Does the theory that oil companies want to build new refineries in the US but cant because of the environmentalists still hold true in your thought process's
    Haven't heard that they even considered building a refinery in Alberta. Also haven't heard that oil companies want to build a refinery in the U.S., but since one hasn't been built here in over 25 years, there has to be some reason.

    Environmentalists, at least the rabid ones, are against building anything, but especially anything to do with energy production. They have even prevented dozens of wind and solar projects from being built.

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    Re: Keystone oil sands pipeline rejected

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    I have to say how refreshing it is to hear Republicans so overcome with emotion at the prospect (however unrealistic) of 20,000 jobs when, month after month, you've been telling us how the 120,000 to 200,000 jobs the economy has been adding every month are paltry and inconsequential. Cheers for that.
    Those numbers during Obama's 36 months in office have only occurred 9 times. I do consider that paltry and inconsequential when compared to the monthly job losses during the rest of his term.

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    Re: Keystone oil sands pipeline rejected

    Quote Originally Posted by Gill View Post
    Those numbers during Obama's 36 months in office have only occurred 9 times. I do consider that paltry and inconsequential when compared to the monthly job losses during the rest of his term.
    And of course we all know that Obama, who hadn't even been elected to office yet - let along sworn into office - is responsible for the economic collapse that caused high unemployment in the first place.

    It took over a decade and a World War to get out of the Great Depression. Why do people think the Great Recession will be resolved in a couple of years???

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    Re: Keystone oil sands pipeline rejected

    Quote Originally Posted by MoSurveyor View Post
    And of course we all know that Obama, who hadn't even been elected to office yet - let along sworn into office - is responsible for the economic collapse that caused high unemployment in the first place.

    It took over a decade and a World War to get out of the Great Depression. Why do people think the Great Recession will be resolved in a couple of years???
    Of course he didn't cause it, both Dems and Republicans in Congress caused it. BUT, Obama has done nothing to improve the economy despite his promises. I believe we should take him up on his offer to make him a one term president if he can't improve things.

    The reason the Great Depression took so long is that FDR attempted the same failed policies that Obama has.

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    Re: Keystone oil sands pipeline rejected

    Quote Originally Posted by Gill View Post
    Haven't heard that they even considered building a refinery in Alberta. Also haven't heard that oil companies want to build a refinery in the U.S., but since one hasn't been built here in over 25 years, there has to be some reason.

    Environmentalists, at least the rabid ones, are against building anything, but especially anything to do with energy production. They have even prevented dozens of wind and solar projects from being built.
    The oil companies are not considering building a refinery in Alberta to refine this oil, but instead would export it to be refined in the US at existing refineries. Plenty of Albertans would rather the oil would be refined here but no oil company would build one because the economics dont support it. It would be easy to get the regulatory permission to build one in Alberta

    Refineries are not being built because the economics do not support building new ones, just the expansion of current ones
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    Re: Keystone oil sands pipeline rejected

    Quote Originally Posted by Lord Tammerlain View Post
    The oil companies are not considering building a refinery in Alberta to refine this oil, but instead would export it to be refined in the US at existing refineries. Plenty of Albertans would rather the oil would be refined here but no oil company would build one because the economics dont support it. It would be easy to get the regulatory permission to build one in Alberta

    Refineries are not being built because the economics do not support building new ones, just the expansion of current ones
    You simply repeated what I had already basically said. Due to the threat of lawsuits and regulations, it is easier to expand existing refineries. New ones can't be economically built due to the high cost of lawsuits and years of regulation compliance.

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    Re: Keystone oil sands pipeline rejected

    Quote Originally Posted by Gill View Post
    Of course he didn't cause it, both Dems and Republicans in Congress caused it. BUT, Obama has done nothing to improve the economy despite his promises. I believe we should take him up on his offer to make him a one term president if he can't improve things.
    The 3+ million private sector jobs created over the last 2 years nullifies that.

    Quote Originally Posted by Gill View Post
    The reason the Great Depression took so long is that FDR attempted the same failed policies that Obama has.
    Riiiight ... because the Republicans who caused it in the first place could havefixed it quicker ... they just let it get worse and worse for 3 years running for their own amusement.

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