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    Re: Keystone oil sands pipeline rejected

    Quote Originally Posted by Gill View Post
    Didn't know they protected Fannie and Freddie from regulation. If they did, line them up with Barney.
    Neither did Frank, according to the Republican Congressman who worked with him to pass reform legislation in the House ... that was then killed by the Bush faction in the Senate.

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    Re: Keystone oil sands pipeline rejected

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    The actual number that will be at least temporarily employed for the pipeline construction is between 3500 and 4200 people.. [...]
    That's not what I'm getting from the TransCanada website. Here, check it yourself:

    Keystone Pipeline Project

    Go ahead and share your sources, and we'll compare.
    I know.. I have read the TransCanada claims.. Its political hype.. ask any oil man.. He'll laugh his head off..
    The sources have already been posted, either in this thread or one similar to it. Regardless, it is well known that the job figures are inflated... by TransCanada's own admission the number of direct jobs is about 6,500 over two years, or 13,000 "job years". Independent studies -- which of course any pipeline supporter will not believe -- estimate the number around 4,500 temporary construction jobs.

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    I know.. I have read the TransCanada claims.. Its political hype.. ask any oil man.. He'll laugh his head off..
    I'm laughing right now at all your "facts" without a shred of proof.
    You've been in all these pipeline threads here long enough to know that the TransCanada's jobs figures have been debunked... therefore your obtuse propaganda tactic is simply shameless.

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    Re: Keystone oil sands pipeline rejected

    Quote Originally Posted by Dpetty, replying to Karl View Post
    [...] I would wager that any private oil company would jump at the oppertunity to establish more oil wells in America with the stipulation that they sold the oil on the US market BEFORE the global market. The government could simply refuse to grant drilling license's to any company refusing those terms.
    How much cheaper would they have to agree to sell it to the domestic market before you would grant them a license?

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    Re: Keystone oil sands pipeline rejected

    Quote Originally Posted by Dpetty View Post
    Your pretty simple minded Karl. I dont speak for the American government, so i wasnt saying it was nationalized government oil. However any American based company DOES require the governments permission to operate within its borders. Companies dont have to be nationalized in order for the government to control their ability to export OR import. I would wager that any private oil company would jump at the oppertunity to establish more oil wells in America with the stipulation that they sold the oil on the US market BEFORE the global market. The government could simply refuse to grant drilling license's to any company refusing those terms.
    That would have no impact on price at all. It would increase the supply in the US which would push prices down. But then the other countries that sell to us would stop because the prices would be lower here than elsewhere. So, they'd sell elsewhere instead. That would bring our supply back down and the price would just stabilize at the global price again. Except all that would only take a matter of minutes on the commodities market.

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    Re: Keystone oil sands pipeline rejected

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    Neither did Frank, according to the Republican Congressman who worked with him to pass reform legislation in the House ... that was then killed by the Bush faction in the Senate.
    I prefer to believe my eyes and ears before any politician. Barney dug his own grave with his words and actions.

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    Re: Keystone oil sands pipeline rejected

    Quote Originally Posted by Karl View Post
    The sources have already been posted, either in this thread or one similar to it. Regardless, it is well known that the job figures are inflated... by TransCanada's own admission the number of direct jobs is about 6,500 over two years, or 13,000 "job years". Independent studies -- which of course any pipeline supporter will not believe -- estimate the number around 4,500 temporary construction jobs.


    You've been in all these pipeline threads here long enough to know that the TransCanada's jobs figures have been debunked... therefore your obtuse propaganda tactic is simply shameless.
    Bwah Haa, yeah, "debunked" by environmental groups.

    What about the other laughers she posted ??

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    Re: Keystone oil sands pipeline rejected

    Quote Originally Posted by Gill View Post
    Didn't know they protected Fannie and Freddie from regulation. If they did, line them up with Barney.
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    Re: Keystone oil sands pipeline rejected

    Quote Originally Posted by Prof. Peabody View Post
    It was only over $4 a gallon from July 20th 2008 and dropped to $1.61 a gallon by the end of December 2008.

    1st Q 2011 increase in GDP was .4%, 2nd Q 2011 increase in GDP was 1.3%, 3rd Q 2011 increase in GDP was 1.8%. The economy improving? Where, those numbers indicate dead in the water.
    And what was the price of oil in July 2008, December 2008 and right now

    Obama does not have the ability to influence the price of oil, as it is a world wide commodity. a supply change of 200 000 barrels a day will not cause a massive shift in price
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    Re: Keystone oil sands pipeline rejected

    I have a question for all the people who feel that rabid environmentalists are preventing new refiniers from being built in the US


    Since the rational behind the Keystone pipeline is to transport Albertan oil to be refined and upgraded in the US, because no oil company wants to build one in Alberta because of the economics ( and trust me, a refinery could easily pass any environmental requirements in Alberta and get built if an oil company wanted to pay for one. We are after all talking about a province that is allowing for strip mining of hundreds if not thousands of square miles to extract the oil. Does the theory that oil companies want to build new refineries in the US but cant because of the environmentalists still hold true in your thought process's
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    Re: Keystone oil sands pipeline rejected

    Quote Originally Posted by sharon View Post
    Oilmen are those who have worked in the oil business for decades and understand the business.

    You could reference drillers or executives with Saudi Aramco, Chevron, Hess, Marathon, TOTAL, Occiental, Dutch Shell and so forth.

    Or you can listen to politicians.
    Thank you, sharon, but are you trying to tell me that "any oil man" as you term it, in Saudi Aramco, Chevron, Hess, Marathon, TOTAL, Occidental, Dutch Shell and so forth will confirm your stance that 20,000 jobs is a total lie?

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