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    Re: Keystone oil sands pipeline rejected

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Have we seen in recent times deals made say between Russia and Iran, or China and Russia using something other than the dollar to buy their oil? Yes, yes we have.
    But the sad part is, your right wing information sources are not telling you why these deals were struck, which results in making clueless connections like you have above.

    Some countries are making deals in local currency to avoid U.S. sanctions on Iran. Fox and Rush didn't tell you that, did they? Of course not -- they hate Obama, and want you to think America is failing.

    Jan. 23 [2012] (Bloomberg) -- Iran has asked India to pay for oil partly in yen as the two nations seek an agreement on how to maintain trade amid tightening global sanctions [...]

    U.S. President Barack Obama on Dec. 31 signed into law measures that deny access to the U.S. financial system to any foreign bank that conducts business with the central bank of Iran.

    Iran Said to Seek Yen Oil Payments From India Amid Sanctions - BusinessWeek
    The Russia/China story that you're all aquiver about dates back 2.5 years: Russia, China to Promote Ruble, Yuan Use in Trade (Update2) By Lyubov Pronina and Alex Nicholson [Bloomberg] - June 17, 2009 10:26 EDT
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    Re: Keystone oil sands pipeline rejected

    Quote Originally Posted by Gill View Post
    What are these mysterious dangers ??
    Lets just start over:

    Quote Originally Posted by teamosil View Post
    As for the environmental impacts, more oil is spilled each year from pipelines than all the other sources of spills combined.
    Quote Originally Posted by drz-400 View Post
    I would argue that pipelines may spill more oil, but that is because they transport more oil, and if you normalize the data for the amount of spill vs the amount of oil transported, it has to be one of the safest.
    Quote Originally Posted by teamosil View Post
    I don't know about that. That sound plausible and may be true, but I'd be curious to see hard data on it. I can see it either way. A ship, for example, can run into something or get hit in a storm or something, which seems intuitively riskier. But, on the other hand, thousands of miles of pipeline in the ground that nobody can inspect where it can potentially be leaking for months before they even realize it, where maintenance is nearly impossible... And you've got earthquakes and forest fires and ground freezing and thawing and so on.

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    Re: Keystone oil sands pipeline rejected

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    What constantly blows me away is that so-called pro-business conservatives haven't a clue as to how business or markets work.
    How wrong is that statement? Is there any faux environmentalist statement the oil industry makes up that liberals don't buy into?

    Let's see - it is environmentally superior and costs less to the send oil by mega tanker ships to China and have mega tanker ships from the Middle East coming here. Yes, THAT is environmentally sound. Everyone knows that oil in the ocean actually benefits the environment PLUS the further you transport oil by ships the less it costs too.

    Also, the atmosphere of each country stays in that country. Fortunately we don't share the same atmosphere. That is the logic of liberal environmentalists as dictated to them by Wall Street speculators and big oil.

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    Re: Keystone oil sands pipeline rejected

    Quote Originally Posted by Higgins86 View Post
    Maybe if the GOP had not of blocked his jobs bill or stood in the way of high speed rail then he might of approved this. Can't expect the guy to play ball with you if your not going to throw the ball back!
    Shouldn't the American people or the American economy be considered?

    And Barrack Obama is screwing the American people out of spite?

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    Re: Keystone oil sands pipeline rejected

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    Shouldn't the American people or the American economy be considered?
    sure they should. and thanks to Obama, they shall be
    that's why there is a thorough process to be followed
    one which should not be short cutted by a false sense of urgency
    and Obama has forbidden that rash shortcut of the process to be followed

    And Barrack Obama is screwing the American people out of spite?
    how dare he follow the process to make sure we can agree that the benefit of the pipeline, more jobs short term, more availability in the international oil market
    when compared to the risk
    imposing eminent domain for the benefit of canadian oil concerns
    spoiling waters and native habitat
    funding the cost of additional environmental emissions abatement for the duration of the oil sands supply (estimated 300 years)

    Obama has not ruled out the project
    he simply refused to be pushed to say "yes" prematurely
    he chooses to impose reason rather than emotion
    we are negotiating about dividing a pizza and in the meantime israel is eating it
    once you're over the hill you begin to pick up speed

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    Re: Keystone oil sands pipeline rejected

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    sure they should. and thanks to Obama, they shall be
    that's why there is a thorough process to be followed
    one which should not be short cutted by a false sense of urgency
    and Obama has forbidden that rash shortcut of the process to be followed


    how dare he follow the process to make sure we can agree that the benefit of the pipeline, more jobs short term, more availability in the international oil market
    when compared to the risk
    imposing eminent domain for the benefit of canadian oil concerns
    spoiling waters and native habitat
    funding the cost of additional environmental emissions abatement for the duration of the oil sands supply (estimated 300 years)

    Obama has not ruled out the project
    he simply refused to be pushed to say "yes" prematurely
    he chooses to impose reason rather than emotion
    He should have vetoed the Kool Aid pipeline.

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    Re: Keystone oil sands pipeline rejected

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    Shouldn't the American people or the American economy be considered?

    And Barrack Obama is screwing the American people out of spite?
    Actually, a primary reason he "Screwed" the American people it seems...was due to considering them, and the environment they live in, let alone the thousands who would be impacted directly by an approval...and voiced concern. If he were to ignore the protests and the law in order to push the approval through, would that not be inconsiderate at the very least.

    As for acting out of spite, if one of my employees tried to blackmail me....you bet your ass I would fight back, and likely far less pleasantly than he did.

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    Re: Keystone oil sands pipeline rejected

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    He should have vetoed the Kool Aid pipeline.
    faux news is too politically insulated for that to happen
    we are negotiating about dividing a pizza and in the meantime israel is eating it
    once you're over the hill you begin to pick up speed

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    Re: Keystone oil sands pipeline rejected

    Quote Originally Posted by Karl View Post
    No, it is not "our" oil. It belongs to whatever oil company that pumps it out of the ground.

    I cannot believe that has to be explained

    For your plan to work, the government would have to nationalize the oil companies.... comrade.
    Your pretty simple minded Karl. I dont speak for the American government, so i wasnt saying it was nationalized government oil. However any American based company DOES require the governments permission to operate within its borders. Companies dont have to be nationalized in order for the government to control their ability to export OR import. I would wager that any private oil company would jump at the oppertunity to establish more oil wells in America with the stipulation that they sold the oil on the US market BEFORE the global market. The government could simply refuse to grant drilling license's to any company refusing those terms.

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    Re: Keystone oil sands pipeline rejected

    Quote Originally Posted by tecoyah View Post
    Actually, a primary reason he "Screwed" the American people it seems...was due to considering them, and the environment they live in, let alone the thousands who would be impacted directly by an approval...and voiced concern. If he were to ignore the protests and the law in order to push the approval through, would that not be inconsiderate at the very least.
    What law would he have been ignoring?

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