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    Re: Keystone oil sands pipeline rejected

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    Have you ever been to, or flown over, the Canadian Rockies? I don't think they're building any pipeline to their western shore.
    Problem is you don't bother to understand the facts before you speak:
    Shifting the path to avoid a major aquifer could increase the number of perilous stream crossings and put the line closer to populated areas. Major changes also risk alienating pipeline supporters, who tout the economic benefits of creating thousands of jobs. And the most vocal opponents plan to keep up their fight regardless of the route.

    The obstacles are tall enough, some observers say, that Canada's oil-sands industry could even decide to bypass U.S. markets altogether and sell fuel directly to China using a pipeline through western Canada to the shores of the Pacific.
    Translation, they've all ready started to consider alternatives, including a WESTERN pipeline. Now they'll do it.

    Change in pipeline plan could present new problems - Boston.com
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    Re: Keystone oil sands pipeline rejected

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    Thank goodness! What would we do with 20,000 jobs this year and an estimated 100,000 jobs by 2015? [...]


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    Re: Keystone oil sands pipeline rejected

    Quote Originally Posted by MrVicchio View Post
    Problem is you don't bother to understand the facts before you speak:

    Translation, they've all ready started to consider alternatives, including a WESTERN pipeline. Now they'll do it.

    Change in pipeline plan could present new problems - Boston.com
    No, you don't seem to understand what you've read. It takes years between "considering alternatives" and "building another pipeline". The idea that the canadians are going to turn around and "voila!" there's a pipeline is nonsense
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    Re: Keystone oil sands pipeline rejected

    Quote Originally Posted by MrVicchio View Post
    Problem is you don't bother to understand the facts before you speak:

    Translation, they've all ready started to consider alternatives, including a WESTERN pipeline. Now they'll do it.

    Change in pipeline plan could present new problems - Boston.com
    All of the western routes they mention go through the US.

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    Re: Keystone oil sands pipeline rejected

    Quote Originally Posted by Karl View Post
    I know right! You'd think there's an unemployment problem in this country.
    I think if Thomas Jefferson were looking down, the author of the Bill of Rights, on whats being proposed here, hed agree with it. He would agree that the First Amendment cannot be absolute. - Chuck Schumer (D). Yet, Madison and Mason wrote the Bill of Rights, according to Sheila Jackson Lee, 400 years ago. Yup, it's a fact.


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    Re: Keystone oil sands pipeline rejected

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    They didn't do that.
    My point is they COULD do that.
    I think if Thomas Jefferson were looking down, the author of the Bill of Rights, on whats being proposed here, hed agree with it. He would agree that the First Amendment cannot be absolute. - Chuck Schumer (D). Yet, Madison and Mason wrote the Bill of Rights, according to Sheila Jackson Lee, 400 years ago. Yup, it's a fact.


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    Re: Keystone oil sands pipeline rejected

    Quote Originally Posted by Fishstyx View Post
    Of course he rejected it. Its job creation that doesn't cost $1.5 million in federal spending for every $50-70k per year job. Gotta stay consistent here.
    Instead, he passified the environmentalist tree huggers for this election but pissed off the unions, who will support him regardless, he already paid them off with the Porkulus Bill.

    The funniest thing is Obama said that extending unemployment benefits will create MORE jobs than the pipeline would have....

    Obama: More jobs in jobless benefits than Keystone | Campaign 2012 | Washington Examiner
    "I would not ask anyone to do something I'm not willing to do myself," Obama said when asked if he would go on vacation while keeping Congress in Washington D.C. "We are going to stay here as long as it takes [to get unemployment extended and pass the payroll tax cut]."

    As Obama called for passage of those bills, he also responded to a recent Republican push to require him to approve the construction of the Keystone XL pipeline from Canada. "However many jobs might be generated by a Keystone pipeline," he said, "they're going to be a lot fewer than the jobs that are created by extending the payroll tax cut and extending unemployment insurance."
    Excuse me if I seem a little confused on this, but how is extending a payroll tax cut and extending unemployment benefits creating jobs?

    The payroll tax cut is a 2% relief from payroll deductions NOT from the tax burden. They are only taking 2% less out of your check towards your income tax bill, not relieving you from the tax burden of those taxes, the full amount is still due when you file your return. For the average $400 a week paycheck, thats about $8 per week. Major job creator there huh?

    Extending unemployment benefits is a job creator? How many job offers from unemployed people have you gotten? Dont know about you, but if my prospective employer was collecting unemployment, I would be worried.
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    Re: Keystone oil sands pipeline rejected

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    Thank goodness! What would we do with 20,000 jobs this year and an estimated 100,000 jobs by 2015? And why would we want to get oil from Canada - don't we have a deal with the Saudi's and the ME? And somehow I think they could find a route that would avoid the Eminent Domain issue - but that's just too much damned work. Let's just keep the status quo of sending our $100+ a barrel over to the ME.
    Sorry Ockham but it's more like 5,000 jobs. You can find the facts in this report.

    Or there's one here, if you like.










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    Re: Keystone oil sands pipeline rejected

    Quote Originally Posted by Risky Thicket View Post
    Sorry Ockham but it's more like 5,000 jobs. You can find the facts in this report.

    Or there's one here, if you like.
    Yes I'm sure the governmental report will downplay the number of jobs for obvious reasons. Here's one that sort of shows why the downplay would take place, as well as the criticism of the Perryman Groups study as well as the American Petroleum Institutes estimates. No shock there and given Obama's head nod a few weeks ago about the pipeline not going through, I'm actually surprised it's as high as 5,000.
    I think if Thomas Jefferson were looking down, the author of the Bill of Rights, on whats being proposed here, hed agree with it. He would agree that the First Amendment cannot be absolute. - Chuck Schumer (D). Yet, Madison and Mason wrote the Bill of Rights, according to Sheila Jackson Lee, 400 years ago. Yup, it's a fact.


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    Re: Keystone oil sands pipeline rejected

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    Yes I'm sure the governmental report will downplay the number of jobs for obvious reasons. Here's one that sort of shows why the downplay would take place, as well as the criticism of the Perryman Groups study as well as the American Petroleum Institutes estimates. No shock there and given Obama's head nod a few weeks ago about the pipeline not going through, I'm actually surprised it's as high as 5,000.
    And I'm sure the industry written support will not overplay the number of jobs
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