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    Re: Keystone oil sands pipeline rejected

    Quote Originally Posted by teamosil View Post
    A forest fire isn't like say wood burning in a fireplace. It's sometimes miles wide. There are huge drafts that concentrate heat at various points and whatnot. They can create what is called a "firestorm".



    There is a spot up where I used to go canoeing when I was a kid where the ground was all glass-like because of a huge forest fire firestorm.
    Actually, forest fires typically burn at temperatures around 1470 degrees F. Far to low to damage an object buried 4 ft down.

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    Re: Keystone oil sands pipeline rejected

    Quote Originally Posted by Gill View Post
    Actually, forest fires typically burn at temperatures around 1470 degrees F. Far to low to damage an object buried 4 ft down.
    Forest fires sometimes travel below ground

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    They can go at elast 6 feet deep
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    Re: Keystone oil sands pipeline rejected

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    Forest fires sometimes travel below ground

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    They can go at elast 6 feet deep
    Ga. fires go underground, fueling wintertime fears

    How many underground forest fires have damaged existing pipeline in the US? Can you cite any?

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    Re: Keystone oil sands pipeline rejected

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    How many underground forest fires have damaged existing pipeline in the US? Can you cite any?

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    Why would I?
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    Re: Keystone oil sands pipeline rejected

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    Why would I?
    Yeah, silly me...I actually thought you wanted to back up your theory. Instead just the usual....Nothing of substance...Pity really.


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    Re: Keystone oil sands pipeline rejected

    Quote Originally Posted by Gill View Post
    Actually, forest fires typically burn at temperatures around 1470 degrees F. Far to low to damage an object buried 4 ft down.
    Definitely a typical forest fire wouldn't...

    I think you're kind of losing track of the discussion. You claimed that pipelines were much safer than boats by volume. I said that may be true, but I would like to see actual data, since there are a lot of potential dangers to pipelines too. Forest fires was one of many examples I posted. As of now, you haven't countered any of them except forest fires, and your position now seems to be that only some forest fires could cause that, and you haven't given any actual source showing that pipelines are safer. You aren't really advancing the discussion. Forget about forest fires. Even if no forest fire could ever impact a pipeline, that wouldn't change where we're at in the discussion at all. There would still be plenty of potential dangers with pipelines warranting an examination of the actual data, and we still wouldn't have that actual data.

    So, still my gut tells me that's probably right that pipelines are slightly safer by volume, but I'm still not sure.

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    Re: Keystone oil sands pipeline rejected

    Quote Originally Posted by Gill
    That was BEFORE TransCanada agreed to change the route of the pipeline. Now only extremist environmental groups are against it, but they would be against any effort to reduce America's dependency of ME oil.
    So because Nebraskans aren't protesting a non-existent pipeline route you make an unfounded claim that they're happy?



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    Re: Keystone oil sands pipeline rejected

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Yeah, silly me...I actually thought you wanted to back up your theory. Instead just the usual....Nothing of substance...Pity really.


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    My theory? What are you babbling about?
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    Re: Keystone oil sands pipeline rejected

    Quote Originally Posted by BWG View Post
    So because Nebraskans aren't protesting a non-existent pipeline route you make an unfounded claim that they're happy?



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    Nebraskans aren't protesting because the pipeline has been agreed to be moved....From November...

    State of Nebraska to Play Major Role in Defining New Keystone XL Route Away From the Sandhills | Nebraska | Keystone XL Pipeline

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    Re: Keystone oil sands pipeline rejected

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Nebraskans aren't protesting because the pipeline has been agreed to be moved....From November...

    State of Nebraska to Play Major Role in Defining New Keystone XL Route Away From the Sandhills | Nebraska | Keystone XL Pipeline

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    No, Nebraskans aren't protesting because, at this moment, there is no pipeline route to protest
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