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    Re: Keystone oil sands pipeline rejected

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Just the fact....That's what they call me....

    This is from about a year ago, but little has changed for the better since.




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    None of that addresses why we are barely tapping into what is possibly the biggest oil reserve in the world.

    Next talking point ... ?

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    Re: Keystone oil sands pipeline rejected

    Quote Originally Posted by Gill View Post
    Oil pipelines are regularly inspected and maintained. A forest fire ???? Are you kidding?? You don know the pipe will be buried 4 feet underground don't you? It's buried that deep so freeze/thaw won't affect.
    No, forest fires are a real concern. They can burn insanely hot, so the temp does reach well past 4 feet. There are even issues with bunkers or storage tanks or whatever that are buried 15 feet down and more in forest fires. One of the bigger pipeline spills, I think in Russia, was caused that way. The heat caused the pipe to expand and a joint popped loose.

    Quote Originally Posted by Gill View Post
    Not any more thanks to the liberals on the Supreme Court. They ruled in Kelo v. City of New London that the city could take property away for a private landowner and give it to another private landowner.
    So do you support Kelo or oppose it? It seems like you oppose that, but support this... What gives?
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    Re: Keystone oil sands pipeline rejected

    Quote Originally Posted by Dpetty View Post
    The same everywhere? Not even close! have you ever bought gas in Australia? Cause i have, and converting their dollar to ours, it was about twice as much per gallon. ( sold in australia by the liter ). Oil prices are not balanced worldwide just because the whole world needs oil.
    You're confusing gas and oil. Oil costs the same everywhere. Gas varies way more. Mostly because of taxes.

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    Re: Keystone oil sands pipeline rejected

    Quote Originally Posted by iliveonramen View Post
    They do not like the route proposed. They want the route changed. Which is why Obama cancelled the proposal. The governor is repeating Republican talking points...but you notice he still wants the route changed! He wants more time to propose a new route.
    The route was changed in November.

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    Re: Keystone oil sands pipeline rejected

    Quote Originally Posted by BWG View Post
    ....Oh?....
    That was BEFORE TransCanada agreed to change the route of the pipeline. Now only extremist environmental groups are against it, but they would be against any effort to reduce America's dependency of ME oil.

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    Re: Keystone oil sands pipeline rejected

    Quote Originally Posted by teamosil View Post
    No, forest fires are a real concern. They can burn insanely hot, so the temp does reach well past 4 feet. There are even issues with bunkers or storage tanks or whatever that are buried 15 feet down and more in forest fires. One of the bigger pipeline spills, I think in Russia, was caused that way. The heat caused the pipe to expand and a joint popped loose.
    Please tell me you are being sarcastic. Show me even one link that a properly buried pipeline was damaged by a forest fire.

    So do you support Kelo or oppose it? It seems like you oppose that, but support this... What gives?
    Entirely different situation, so can't compare apples and oranges. Kelo was so a developer could tear down houses to build a shopping center, hardly in the interest of the people. An oil pipeline benefits everyone.

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    Re: Keystone oil sands pipeline rejected

    Quote Originally Posted by teamosil View Post
    You're confusing gas and oil. Oil costs the same everywhere. Gas varies way more. Mostly because of taxes.
    Your confusing gas with gasoline. Gas is a substance possessing perfect molecular mobility and the property of indefinite expansion, as opposed to a solid or liquid. Gasoline is a volatile, flammable liquid mixture of hydrocarbons, obtained from petroleum, and used as fuel for internal-combustion engines, as a solvent, etc.

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    Just being sarcastic.

    But its not ONLY taxes that explain the difference in prices.

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    Re: Keystone oil sands pipeline rejected

    Quote Originally Posted by Gill View Post
    Please tell me you are being sarcastic. Show me even one link that a properly buried pipeline was damaged by a forest fire.
    Hmm I'll see if I can find it. I saw a bit about it in a documentary on the world's biggest forest fires... I'll see if I can find it. But just so you know I'm not bsing you, here are some links about how they shut down pipelines when there is a forest fire to avoid exactly that:

    UPDATE 2-Alberta oil pipeline seen down until end of June | Reuters
    Canadian Natural provides update on Alberta forest fires (Scandinavian Oil-Gas Magazine)

    Quote Originally Posted by Gill View Post
    Entirely different situation, so can't compare apples and oranges. Kelo was so a developer could tear down houses to build a shopping center, hardly in the interest of the people. An oil pipeline benefits everyone.
    Er what? I'd go totally the other way on that... In Kelo the idea was that it was an economically struggling neighborhood that needed jobs badly. The developer promised something like 500 permanent jobs just in that one small community, so the city found that it was in the public interest. In this case it's just oil company profits and 20,000 across the entire nation and it's only temporary jobs. Oil company profits certainly aren't public interest...

    Regardless, I oppose using eminent domain in both cases.

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    Re: Keystone oil sands pipeline rejected

    Quote Originally Posted by Dpetty View Post
    But its not ONLY taxes that explain the difference in prices.
    No, it's other things too. Supply and demand, refining capacity, etc. But the price of oil is pretty much always the same world wide. You can look up the prices of oil on the different commodity exchanges around the world and they're almost always exactly the same. When one gets a penny higher than the others, the market jumps on it.

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    Re: Keystone oil sands pipeline rejected

    Quote Originally Posted by teamosil View Post
    Hmm I'll see if I can find it. I saw a bit about it in a documentary on the world's biggest forest fires... I'll see if I can find it. But just so you know I'm not bsing you, here are some links about how they shut down pipelines when there is a forest fire to avoid exactly that:

    UPDATE 2-Alberta oil pipeline seen down until end of June | Reuters
    Didn't see anything about the fire being a danger to the underground pipeline. The reason it was shut down was that the fire cut off the electricity being used by the oil line pumps:

    The southern part of the pipeline was also shut for about 10 days in May as forest fires that swept across northern Alberta cut power to pump stations.
    Try again.

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