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    Re: Keystone oil sands pipeline rejected

    Quote Originally Posted by Karl View Post
    If you're speaking of crude, only if we increased supply enough to reduce the price globally.

    If you're speaking of gasoline, the oil companies will not permit what you suggest (it would cost them money).
    How do you explain the drop in oil prices when we remove some oil from our National Strategic Reserve ??

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    Re: Keystone oil sands pipeline rejected

    Quote Originally Posted by Blue_State View Post
    If America could increase the supply, that would effectively reduce the price here in America. Forget tax cuts and pay tax holidays. Lower the cost of fuel, and watch our spending go up. It would be a welcome change when I know many people who commute over 45 minutes one way to go to work.
    But we already have more than we need and it's not lowering the cost. Why would even more lower costs or decrease foreign dependencies?

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    Re: Keystone oil sands pipeline rejected

    Quote Originally Posted by Eighty Deuce View Post
    Whose back yard was it in ? Further, just how ruined is Alaska because of 35 years of the Alaska Pipeline ? The liberal leftwad tree-hugging idiots of that generation told us it was going to be an ecological nightmare.

    So, where's that pipeline disaster ?
    Yes, and the conservative idiots of this generation are telling us WE NEED THIS PIPELINE OR THE CHINAMAN WILL GET OUR OILZ!

    People in Nebraska are not happy with the route. You apparently want to tell them tough ****, that pipe is going through your state as is. Once again, if you didn't want the pipe going through your backyard, you'd be up in arms about the Federal government coming in and forcing the issue. Since it's someone elses backyard, you're fine with it.
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    Re: Keystone oil sands pipeline rejected

    Quote Originally Posted by Eighty Deuce View Post
    Yet we are still importing 40% of the unrefined product. Which means we are less an influence on world prices still from the supply side. But more importantly, we are spending mightily contributing to a huge trade imbalance, where too much of the ME can pull the strings on our economy.

    That we are refining imported oil and exporting the gas doesn't mean jack-**** in the big picture actually.
    We are sitting on possibly the largest oil reserve in the world ... why do you think we're still importing as much as we are?

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    Re: Keystone oil sands pipeline rejected

    Quote Originally Posted by iliveonramen View Post
    Yes, and the conservative idiots of this generation are telling us WE NEED THIS PIPELINE OR THE CHINAMAN WILL GET OUR OILZ!

    People in Nebraska are not happy with the route. You apparently want to tell them tough ****, that pipe is going through your state as is. Once again, if you didn't want the pipe going through your backyard, you'd be up in arms about the Federal government coming in and forcing the issue. Since it's someone elses backyard, you're fine with it.
    Once the pipeline is built, no one will even know that it is there.

    Wrong........most people in Nebraska are very happy with the pipeline and support it.

    Nebraska's Republican Gov. Dave Heineman, whose state is a key part of the Keystone XL oil pipeline debate, expressed his disappointment with the final decision the Obama administration made yesterday to kill the project.

    "I want to say I'm very disappointed," Heineman told POLITICO. "I think the president made a mistake."

    "Really what he was saying in denying the permit was 'no' to American jobs and 'yes' to a greater dependence on Middle Eastern oil," he said. "We want to put America back to work."

    The White House has used Heineman as political cover in the fight, pointing to the fact that the original route approved by the State Department was opposed by Heineman for ecological reasons. He said that his Legislature and his administration were working to get the final approvals in place and that the State Department should have approved conditionally while Nebraska worked out the final route. The company seeking to build the pipeline, TransCanada, was perfectly willing to begin construction at either end and finish in Nebraska, according to Heineman.
    Nebraska governor: 'The president made a mistake' - POLITICO.com

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    Re: Keystone oil sands pipeline rejected

    Quote Originally Posted by Gill View Post
    U.S. exports of oil are miniscule compared to our imports.
    So? That has nothing to do with the point that we have an abundance of oil, we don't need the Keystone pipeline.

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    Re: Keystone oil sands pipeline rejected

    Quote Originally Posted by Sheik Yerbuti View Post
    We are sitting on possibly the largest oil reserve in the world ... why do you think we're still importing as much as we are?

    Simple. We are prevented from getting at it over concerns of the spotted snail sloth.

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    Re: Keystone oil sands pipeline rejected

    Quote Originally Posted by Sheik Yerbuti View Post
    But we already have more than we need and it's not lowering the cost. Why would even more lower costs or decrease foreign dependencies?
    The supply and demand for oil directly affect our prices at the pump. If the market has so much excess, than why haven't gas prices gone down? Everytime the supply chain gets even the smallest threat (ie. Lybia, Strait of Hormuz, Hurricane in the gulf) prices go up. That does not show that we have more than we need, in fact it shows that the actual supply chain is extremely fragile and we are living on the edge of consumption. Why do we have to go ask OPEC to product more Barrels per day? Because the market price is going up due to lack of supply.
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    Re: Keystone oil sands pipeline rejected

    Wrong........most people in Nebraska are very happy with the pipeline and support it.
    They do not like the route proposed. They want the route changed. Which is why Obama cancelled the proposal. The governor is repeating Republican talking points...but you notice he still wants the route changed! He wants more time to propose a new route.
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    Re: Keystone oil sands pipeline rejected

    Quote Originally Posted by Sheik Yerbuti View Post
    We are sitting on possibly the largest oil reserve in the world ... why do you think we're still importing as much as we are?
    Strategically, it is a great idea. It is cheaper now to buy someone else's oil while there is a large global supply. As the global supply goes down, it will then increase the value of our reserves. It is like longing oil if you are into investments.
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