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    Re: Keystone oil sands pipeline rejected

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    I can't for the life of me, figure out why it is that in an election year, that a project that is a no brainer as far as jobs, oil supply from a friendly ally, and union support of the project is anything but a win, win, win for this administration. It doesn't make sense that this is rejected.

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    here's why

    jobs. 20,000 man years of employment. assuming that each job is valued at $50,000, the total payroll is $1 billion
    desirable but not all that significant, actually
    then divide that by the years to build it and the annual result will be found
    even less significant

    oil supply. the oil will become part of the world's oil supply. it will cost whatever the going rate for oil costs. it is estimated that this additional supply will potentially reduce the price of a barrel of oil by $1 ... about 1% of the present $100 per barrel price. we will be bidding for that oil just like china and every other oil importing nation. nothing confers a preference to the USA for that oil

    union support. 20,000 man years of employment and nothing will compel all employees to be unionized. really think the union is going to support romney or santorum or gingrich instead of Obama. me either

    on the other hand there are issues of environmental impact. hence the need to follow the rules and not short cut to yes. this administration has not ruled out the possibility of approval of the project. it just refused to agree to a republican desired shortcut of the process

    the emissions from the processing of canadian tar sands in the USA will substantially elevate environmentally damaging emissions from their present levels. what is the cost to the USA of dealing with that, forever ... well at least the 300-500 years that these tar sands will be available

    the pipeline will at times be above aquifers. what is clean water worth to our kids

    animal habitats may be adversely impacted
    they are a natural resource and we owe it to the next generations to be good stewards of those resources today

    lots of good reasons not to go to a quick yes. but tell us what your aptly described 'no brainer' answer would be

    i hope all of the folks who want this to proceed immediately will give me an easement across their real property sufficient to allow a 48 inch pipeline to be placed across it in perpetuity, which easement will prevent the owners' ability to ever situate any form of improvement on such property by them or their assigns. it's only fair. that is what you are willing to subject other Americans to accept
    we are negotiating about dividing a pizza and in the meantime israel is eating it
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    Re: Keystone oil sands pipeline rejected

    Quote Originally Posted by Gill View Post
    If you can't read a map, I can't help you.
    i once owned/operated a (surveying and drafting) business which included among its offerings the drawing of maps
    but i cannot find on this map where the pipeline you insist exists is actually located
    that causes me to think that you are the one who is misinformed
    but prove me wrong and identify the point of origin and the point of terminus of the present pipeline across the canadian rockies
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    Re: Keystone oil sands pipeline rejected

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    i once owned/operated a (surveying and drafting) business which included among its offerings the drawing of maps
    but i cannot find on this map where the pipeline you insist exists is actually located
    that causes me to think that you are the one who is misinformed
    but prove me wrong and identify the point of origin and the point of terminus of the present pipeline across the canadian rockies
    Remind me never to buy a map from you.

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    The oil pipeline was built across the Rockies to Vancouver.

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    Re: Keystone oil sands pipeline rejected

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    i once owned/operated a (surveying and drafting) business which included among its offerings the drawing of maps
    but i cannot find on this map where the pipeline you insist exists is actually located
    that causes me to think that you are the one who is misinformed
    but prove me wrong and identify the point of origin and the point of terminus of the present pipeline across the canadian rockies
    Edmonton to Vancouver, pipeline C5, transmits oil. Pipeline C4 also crosses the Rockies, but is for gas.

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    Re: Keystone oil sands pipeline rejected

    Interesting that the final eis has been done and is available for reading. Some may want to read to understand the possible impacts of the pipleline.

    DOS issued a draft EIS for public review on April 16, 2010 and a supplemental draft EIS on April 15, 2011. The final EIS was prepared and circulated consistent with the Council on Environmental Quality and DOS regulations for implementing NEPA. The final EIS includes responses to substantive comments
    on the draft EIS and supplemental draft EIS and revisions to the EIS based on comments and additional information received.

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    Re: Keystone oil sands pipeline rejected

    Quote Originally Posted by Gill View Post
    Remind me never to buy a map from you.

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    The oil pipeline was built across the Rockies to Vancouver.

    thank you (and the subsequent poster, Samhain)
    then it appears the route thru the USA is non-essential to accomplish this goal
    we can prevent any environmental damage and forgo the $1 billion in employment dollars
    seems a decent trade-off
    canada can move its pipeline within its borders
    problem solved
    we are negotiating about dividing a pizza and in the meantime israel is eating it
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    Re: Keystone oil sands pipeline rejected

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    thank you (and the subsequent poster, Samhain)
    then it appears the route thru the USA is non-essential to accomplish this goal
    we can prevent any environmental damage and forgo the $1 billion in employment dollars
    seems a decent trade-off
    canada can move its pipeline within its borders
    problem solved
    Yeah, no problem.........screw all the construction jobs, restaurant jobs, hotel jobs, supply jobs, refinery jobs, welder jobs, support industry jobs, shipping jobs, etc, etc, etc.

    Not to mention, China needs the oil more than us, right ???

    We can get all we need from the middle east. Screw Canada, who needs them.

    By the way, you posted an awful lot just to admit you were wrong. Now I know why you "once owned" a surveying and drafting business.
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    Re: Keystone oil sands pipeline rejected

    I just love it how so many lefties counted a job "saved" if someone worked an extra half day under the Obama stimulus, yet are delighted to piss away thousands of good paying jobs to kill a real shovel ready project that they don't like.

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    Re: Keystone oil sands pipeline rejected

    Obama is a fool for rejecting this.
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    Tired of elections being between the lesser of two evils.

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    Re: Keystone oil sands pipeline rejected

    Quote Originally Posted by digsbe View Post
    Obama is a fool for rejecting this.

    why?
    tell us how the benefits outweigh the negatives
    we are negotiating about dividing a pizza and in the meantime israel is eating it
    once you're over the hill you begin to pick up speed

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