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    Re: Keystone oil sands pipeline rejected

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Grimm View Post
    That's called a good ole fashioned run-around by this administration. Delay tactics. Evasion. Avoidance.

    Nobody is buying it.



    In 2008 the State Dept agreed that there would be an environmental study done, and they outsourced that study to a company that TransCanada got to pick.

    Then they come back this year and say, "hey wait a minute, that's a conflict of interests..." and so now the study needs to be done all over again.

    You want to talk about "dumbasses," take a look at the State Department. THAT's why the timetable was so screwed up.

    Either that or the impact statement was fine, and in that case it also suggests Obama's avoidance tactics for not accepting it.

    I think it's pretty clear that these are delay tactics, and that Obama never had any intention of making a decision before election day.

    What I'm saying is that the American people are not that stupid.
    My understanding is that the main objections came from the states through which the pipeline was to pass -- not the feds. Are you advocating that Big Brother should have trampled the states' rights? Why? So the Canadians wouldn't be pissed off? WTF is it about oil that makes conservatives chuck all their so-called principles and bend over for the drillers?

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    Re: Keystone oil sands pipeline rejected

    Quote Originally Posted by ludahai View Post
    Canada seeks alternative route for Keystone XL pipeline



    Yeah, this is so much a more preferable scenario...
    Well it will be interesting to see if the Canadians are so cavalier about environmental concerns when it's their own land they're talking about.

    Canadian environmentalists are voicing similar concerns about the alternative route. The Toronto Star reports that the western route faces fierce opposition from environmentalists in Canada who say that pipeline leaks or a tanker spill would endanger some of the world's most pristine forests and coastal areas and that the proposal "has already galvanized unprecedented concern in the green movement."

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    Re: Keystone oil sands pipeline rejected

    Quote Originally Posted by Eighty Deuce View Post
    LOL ... sorry, but 20,000 gallons the Exxon Valdez is hardly an ink dot. They clean it up and life goes on quite well.

    As for "oil for export" ....... balance it out anyway you want. We currently "import" 40% of our oil, do we not ? If and when the governments get their heads out of their asses ............ I hope this is not rocket science for a few of you.
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    Re: Keystone oil sands pipeline rejected

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    There, fixed it for you.
    Well played sir.
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    Re: Keystone oil sands pipeline rejected

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    They threatened to use eminent domain to acquire 20% property of one guys property.So I imagine they probably want close to that with other properties.

    http://www.nytimes.com/2011/10/18/us...pagewanted=all
    Randy Thompson, a cattle buyer in Nebraska, was informed that if he did not grant pipeline access to 80 of the 400 acres left to him by his mother along the Platte River, “Keystone will use eminent domain to acquire the easement.”
    According to your link, after the pipeline is complete, the owner retains full rights to grow crops or whatever other use he wishes to do on the permanent easement. The land used for a temporary easement is just that, temporary.

    Sounds like a win-win for the landowner to me.

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    Re: Keystone oil sands pipeline rejected

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    My understanding is that the main objections came from the states through which the pipeline was to pass -- not the feds. Are you advocating that Big Brother should have trampled the states' rights? Why? So the Canadians wouldn't be pissed off? WTF is it about oil that makes conservatives chuck all their so-called principles and bend over for the drillers?
    The main objection was from the state of Nebraska who didn't want the pipeline built over their aquifer or through the Black Hills. The governor negotiated with TransCanada and got the route changed, so this is a non issue now.

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    Re: Keystone oil sands pipeline rejected

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    There, fixed it for you.
    Are you actually comparing 20,000 gallons to the Exxon Valdez ???? I hope you know how absurd that is. The Exxon Valdez spilled between 10.5 million gallons and 31 million gallons.

    You fixed nothing, except in your own mind.

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    Re: Keystone oil sands pipeline rejected

    Quote Originally Posted by Gill View Post
    The main objection was from the state of Nebraska who didn't want the pipeline built over their aquifer or through the Black Hills. The governor negotiated with TransCanada and got the route changed, so this is a non issue now.
    Precisely, the route was changed and time for a study of th enew route was required, the House refused to give that time and so Transcanada has to reapply. End of Story.

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    Re: Keystone oil sands pipeline rejected

    Quote Originally Posted by iguanaman View Post
    Precisely, the route was changed and time for a study of th enew route was required, the House refused to give that time and so Transcanada has to reapply. End of Story.
    It was changed 2 months ago. Why did it take so long for them to say they wanted another study???

    Answer: the only purpose is to delay the project so Obama doesn't have to deal with it.

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    Re: Keystone oil sands pipeline rejected

    Quote Originally Posted by Gill View Post
    It was changed 2 months ago. Why did it take so long for them to say they wanted another study???

    Answer: the only purpose is to delay the project so Obama doesn't have to deal with it.
    ok, show us any factual information which would allow us to find your conclusion credible
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