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Romney reveals he pays about 15% in taxes(edited)

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Re: Romney's tax rate is only half as high as the middle class pays

I ha e no idea what you are talking about.

That would be your own failing, then. As analogies go, it's pretty straightforward.


I suspect you are confusing apples with cinderblocks.

Heh.
 
Re: Romney's tax rate is only half as high as the middle class pays

That would be your own failing, then. As analogies go, it's pretty straightforward.




Heh.

Then you should have no trouble explaining it compared to the original topic.
 
Re: Romney's tax rate is only half as high as the middle class pays

Then you should have no trouble explaining it compared to the original topic.

It's your entire constitutional argument, dude.

I do get why you'd refuse to acknowledge it, though. Put in such simple terms, it reveals the absurdity.
 
Re: Romney's tax rate is only half as high as the middle class pays

It's your entire constitutional argument, dude.

I do get why you'd refuse to acknowledge it, though. Put in such simple terms, it reveals the absurdity.

As I suspected - you cannot even explain your own weak analogy when challenged to do so.

Take what I said - take what you said - compare the two and tell me why your analogy is so masterful.

I await your clear and simple explanation.

Or is this one of those things where one needs to speak a certain ideological language or consume a massive amount of the proper kool-aid before the enlightenment appears to shine down upon them?
 
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Re: Romney's tax rate is only half as high as the middle class pays

Let's try a better analogy. As mom and dad hop in the cab to the airport, dad says, "if you need to go somewhere, you know where the keys are." When the folks get back, dad says, "wtf! You drove my car!" Junior replies, "you said I could if I needed to go somewhere!" Dad replies, "no I didn't! I just said that you knew where the keys were!!"
 
Re: Romney's tax rate is only half as high as the middle class pays

Let's try a better analogy. As mom and dad hop in the cab to the airport, dad says, "if you need to go somewhere, you know where the keys are." When the folks get back, dad says, "wtf! You drove my car!" Junior replies, "you said I could if I needed to go somewhere!" Dad replies, "no I didn't! I just said that you knew where the keys were!!"

Unfortunately, that analogy is inaccurate, vis-a-vis haymarket's own arguments.
 
Re: Romney's tax rate is only half as high as the middle class pays

As I suspected - you cannot even explain your own weak analogy when challenged to do so.

Take what I said - take what you said - compare the two and tell me why your analogy is so masterful.

I await your clear and simple explanation.

Or is this one of those things where one needs to speak a certain ideological language or consume a massive amount of the proper kool-aid before the enlightenment appears to shine down upon them?

:shrug:

AdamT got it, and he's on your side.
 
Re: Romney's tax rate is only half as high as the middle class pays

Unfortunately, that analogy is inaccurate, vis-a-vis haymarket's own arguments.

How so? I don't see it.
 
Re: Romney's tax rate is only half as high as the middle class pays

How so? I don't see it.

He claimed a power and pointed to tools which don't support it. Easy enough.
 
Re: Romney's tax rate is only half as high as the middle class pays

He claimed a power and pointed to tools which don't support it. Easy enough.

I disagree, and more importantly, so does the Supreme Court.
 
Re: Romney's tax rate is only half as high as the middle class pays

I disagree, and more importantly, so does the Supreme Court.

Well . . .

1) Whether or not you agree doesn't really matter (and I took it as read that you wouldn't ever, anyway)

2) He made a specific textual argument, not an appeal to Supreme Court precedent

3) Based on the specific textual argument, which Supreme Court decisions can you cite, and what language in them supports your assertion?
 
Re: Romney's tax rate is only half as high as the middle class pays

He claimed a power and pointed to tools which don't support it. Easy enough.

And this entire time you do not repeat what you believe I claim, do not cite language in the Constitution which says otherwise, and do not thus prove why you think I am in error.

Amazing.
 
Re: Romney's tax rate is only half as high as the middle class pays

And this entire time you do not repeat what you believe I claim, do not cite language in the Constitution which says otherwise, and do not thus prove why you think I am in error.

Amazing.

What's "amazing" is that even AdamT gets the analogy (even though he doesn't agree with it), and this continued stonewalling means you either simply refuse to acknowledge it or are incapable of grasping the implications of what you say. Or, a mixture of both, I suppose. Which tends to happen, I note, when you bounce from point to point looking for a "winner," without ever thinking anything through.

Either way, the whole thing is laid out among the posts of the thread, so anyone can go back and read them at their leisure.
 
Re: Romney's tax rate is only half as high as the middle class pays

What's "amazing" is that even AdamT gets the analogy (even though he doesn't agree with it), and this continued stonewalling means you either simply refuse to acknowledge it or are incapable of grasping the implications of what you say. Or, a mixture of both, I suppose. Which tends to happen, I note, when you bounce from point to point looking for a "winner," without ever thinking anything through.

Either way, the whole thing is laid out among the posts of the thread, so anyone can go back and read them at their leisure.[/QUOTE

Then why can't you?
And you still cannot explain it.

Let me take you by the hand and help you. Just follow this formula.

1 - You stated this about the US Constitution _______________________ (in that space you will find my post and reproduce what you believe are the damning words)

2 - I compared it to something as as follows _________________________ ( in that space you will reproduce your won analogy that you think was so clever)

3 - This proves your understanding of the Constitution wrong because _____________________________ (in that space you will connect the dots with analysis and evidence)

You are welcome.
 
Re: Romney's tax rate is only half as high as the middle class pays

Then why can't you?
And you still cannot explain it.

Let me take you by the hand and help you. Just follow this formula.

1 - You stated this about the US Constitution _______________________ (in that space you will find my post and reproduce what you believe are the damning words)

2 - I compared it to something as as follows _________________________ ( in that space you will reproduce your won analogy that you think was so clever)

3 - This proves your understanding of the Constitution wrong because _____________________________ (in that space you will connect the dots with analysis and evidence)

You are welcome.

Crikey, this is better than cable.
 
Re: Romney's tax rate is only half as high as the middle class pays

I disagree, and more importantly, so does the Supreme Court.
You see, Turtle, the federal government is the sole judge of the extent of its powers. No need to worry your pretty little head with all those complicated words in the constitution. Just leave everything up to our wise overlords.
 
Re: Romney's tax rate is only half as high as the middle class pays

You see, Turtle, the federal government is the sole judge of the extent of its powers. No need to worry your pretty little head with all those complicated words in the constitution. Just leave everything up to our wise overlords.

Fortunately we have the ability to vote our leaders out if we don't like them, and the ability to challenge decisions in court.
 
Re: Romney's tax rate is only half as high as the middle class pays

Fortunately we have the ability to vote our leaders out if we don't like them,
Yes, the majority has that power, and if history has taught us anything, it's that majority is always right.

and the ability to challenge decisions in court.
The result of which will be the federal government once again telling us where the bounds of its powers lie.
 
Re: Romney's tax rate is only half as high as the middle class pays

Crikey, this is better than cable.

And even when I give you paint and the numbers and a guide on how to fill in the colors you still cannot produce a clear picture. Amazing.

And after all this you still cannot make a clear post showing what I said and explaining why you think I am wrong.
 
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And even when I give you paint and the numbers and a guide on how to fill in the colors you still cannot produce a clear picture. Amazing.

And after all this you still cannot make a clear post showing what I said and explaining why you think I am wrong.

Uh, no. The analogy, which you appear to be the only one who doesn't follow, explains why you're wrong.

This is like watching a dog eat peanut butter. Seriously.
 
Re: Romney's tax rate is only half as high as the middle class pays

Uh, no. The analogy, which you appear to be the only one who doesn't follow, explains why you're wrong.

This is like watching a dog eat peanut butter. Seriously.

You cannot even explain our own sorry analogy.

I give you a road map and you drive into a ditch at the end of your own driveway. :lamo:mrgreen:
 
Re: Romney's tax rate is only half as high as the middle class pays

You cannot even explain our own sorry analogy.

No one else needs it. (And how do you know it's "sorry" if you don't even understand it?)

Now, bark some more.
 
Re: Romney's tax rate is only half as high as the middle class pays

My BS detector just redlined. and like most lefties you ignore the real issue-actual dollars paid in taxes vs benefits received for those dollars.

Ha,ha, still trying to deny that the uber wealthy pay a lower rate. That Kool-Aid being drunk by Reps/cons sure works wonders.

So, because they make more, even at the lower rate they of course pay more than a middle-class person, but the middle-class person is actually keeping less of their earned money and hoodwinked righties think that is ok? It's definitely understandable that it would be okay for the uber wealthy, but that middle-class Republicans go along with it shows that the Kool-Aid really works.
 
Re: Romney's tax rate is only half as high as the middle class pays

No one else needs it. (And how do you know it's "sorry" if you don't even understand it?)

Now, bark some more.

No one else?!?!?! You were directing your lame analogy to me. You failed to make it clear to me. You failed to cite what I said was wrong.

It was sorry because it failed in its most basic goal - to be understood.

And all this time you fiddle and play when if you really had something you could simply explain in plain English why you were so clever. But you are impotent to do so.

So what is it I have wrong about the Constitution?

Tell us plain and straight without your analogies.
 
Re: Romney's tax rate is only half as high as the middle class pays

Ha,ha, still trying to deny that the uber wealthy pay a lower rate. That Kool-Aid being drunk by Reps/cons sure works wonders.

So, because they make more, even at the lower rate they of course pay more than a middle-class person, but the middle-class person is actually keeping less of their earned money and hoodwinked righties think that is ok? It's definitely understandable that it would be okay for the uber wealthy, but that middle-class Republicans go along with it shows that the Kool-Aid really works.

MOre far left psychobabble. The "uber rich MAY OR MAY NOT pay a lower effective rate than the mere rich depending on the source of their income. The uber rich pay the top rate on earned income which has several brackets ending at 35% and they pay the upper of two brackets on investment income. the tax on investment income is not subject to several bracket but only a couple. Your pathetic attempt to confuse the two is just that-pathetic

the Lower classes by definition KEEP MORE OF THEIR EARNED money after the FEDERAL INCOME TAX has been applied because both the marginal rate (which is much higher than the effective rate for the lower classes, while the marginal and effective rates are almost the same for the very rich on earned income) than those in the 35% bracket

when you spew stuff as obviously wrong as you constantly do, it proves you are swimming in the class hatred koolaid vat
 
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