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    Re: Romney reveals he pays about 15% in taxes(edited)

    Quote Originally Posted by teamosil View Post
    If Kerry pays 15% that is way too little too. But Kerry isn't out there campaigning for the rich to pay even less and the middle class to absorb the cost of their tax break, so it doesn't really hurt him politically. Romney is trying to deny that a problem exists which he himself exemplifies. That's why it is so devastating for him.
    Kerry is one of your LIBERAL heroes...the republicans arent clamoring to pay higher percentages and YOU for some reason jump to start a thread about the OMIGAWD...republican that pays 15%...and havent said **** about the democrat that pays 13%...never even crossed your mind. Because you dont GIVE a **** that democrats do it...only...republicans. And you dont even have the grace to be embarassed by your hypocrisy.

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    Re: Romney reveals he pays about 15% in taxes(edited)

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    Kerry is one of your LIBERAL heroes...the republicans arent clamoring to pay higher percentages and YOU for some reason jump to start a thread about the OMIGAWD...republican that pays 15%...and havent said **** about the democrat that pays 13%...never even crossed your mind. Because you dont GIVE a **** that democrats do it...only...republicans. And you dont even have the grace to be embarassed by your hypocrisy.
    If Kerry pays 15% that is way too little too. But Kerry isn't out there campaigning for the rich to pay even less and the middle class to absorb the cost of their tax break, so it doesn't really hurt him politically. Romney is trying to deny that a problem exists which he himself exemplifies. That's why it is so devastating for him.

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    Re: Romney reveals he pays about 15% in taxes(edited)

    Quote Originally Posted by teamosil View Post
    If Kerry pays 15% that is way too little too. But Kerry isn't out there campaigning for the rich to pay even less and the middle class to absorb the cost of their tax break, so it doesn't really hurt him politically. Romney is trying to deny that a problem exists which he himself exemplifies. That's why it is so devastating for him.
    Thats just funny right there...

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    Re: Romney's tax rate is only half as high as the middle class pays

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    Re: Romney reveals he pays about 15% in taxes(edited)

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    Thats just funny right there...
    it's like he doesn't see the irony. Kerry takes advantage in private of a system he decries in public... and yet he is the good guy because at least he's a hypocrite whereas Romney is honest.

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    Re: Romney reveals he pays about 15% in taxes(edited)

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    it's like he doesn't see the irony. Kerry takes advantage in private of a system he decries in public... and yet he is the good guy because at least he's a hypocrite whereas Romney is honest.
    Whats TRULY sad is that he doesnt see just WHO is wearing the "Hi I am a hypocrite!" name tag...and its comical that he actually believes its ROMNEY...or that I am implying its Kerry.

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    Re: Romney reveals he pays about 15% in taxes(edited)

    Quote Originally Posted by Dickieboy View Post
    Why would one include FICA taxes in this discussion? Aren't these 'investments' that will be paid out ultimately to those who paid them in?
    Because a tax is a tax is a tax. It is money taken out of the pocket or account of the citizen and given to the government.
    Any honest discussion of American taxation should include All taxes paid by ALL citizens to ALL levels of government for any purpose.
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    Re: Romney reveals he pays about 15% in taxes(edited)

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    Because a tax is a tax is a tax. It is money taken out of the pocket or account of the citizen and given to the government.
    Any honest discussion of American taxation should include All taxes paid by ALL citizens to ALL levels of government for any purpose.
    Certainly not when a discussion is revolving around Romney's off-the-cuff remark that he thinks he's paying about 15%. Honest discussions about this recognize that he was talking about his effective tax rate and not his Federal income tax, FICA contributions, real estate taxes, state taxes, sales taxes, gasoline taxes, etc., etc., etc., etc., as others on this thread have insisted.
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    Re: Romney reveals he pays about 15% in taxes(edited)

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    Certainly not when a discussion is revolving around Romney's off-the-cuff remark that he thinks he's paying about 15%. Honest discussions about this recognize that he was talking about his effective tax rate and not his Federal income tax, FICA contributions, real estate taxes, state taxes, sales taxes, gasoline taxes, etc., etc., etc., etc., as others on this thread have insisted.
    Until he actually produces those tax returns for public scrutiny, we can only guess what he was talking about.

    Obviously we can discuss one tax on its merits without discussing all taxes all the time. My point is simply to say that when somebody is ranting about the injustices of the progressive income tax upon the wealthy, and others bring in the reality that we have tons of regressive taxes that hit average or even poor people much harder as a percentage paid from their income, it is important to look al all taxes paid by all Americans to all levels of government to get the true accurate picture of taxation in America.
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    Re: Romney reveals he pays about 15% in taxes(edited)

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    Kerry is one of your LIBERAL heroes...the republicans arent clamoring to pay higher percentages and YOU for some reason jump to start a thread about the OMIGAWD...republican that pays 15%...and havent said **** about the democrat that pays 13%...never even crossed your mind. Because you dont GIVE a **** that democrats do it...only...republicans. And you dont even have the grace to be embarassed by your hypocrisy.
    And that is ****ed up too. And since when is Kerry a "liberal hero"?
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