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    Re: Romney reveals he pays about 15% in taxes(edited)

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    50 different states, none of which is tracked (when you buy something there is no record of who bought it, what income he had etc)

    Its at best a guess.
    Ah lol. So you're using the standard right wing "when the data doesn't support your assumptions, just reject science!" strategy eh? Good one.

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    and I ask one more time, what was the point of you whining about Romney? you never did answer how much sales tax he pays, the amount of property tax he pays etc.
    I've answered that several times. Pay attention. Those are regressive taxes, so at Romney's level they amount to pretty much 0% of his income. Possibly as high as 1% combined, but probably not even that. I've explained that to you maybe a dozen times already.

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    and guess what, those taxes have absolutely no relevance to the amount of income he has or what percentage of his income they make up
    What percentage of people's incomes are going to taxes in different economic tiers is not relevant to examining whether the tax burden is distributed optimally across those groups. That's your position. Seriously, that's the position you want to take?

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    Re: Romney reveals he pays about 15% in taxes(edited)

    Quote Originally Posted by mike2810 View Post
    Latest from the WSJ.
    That's just federal and income taxes, not all taxes. They left out all the regressive taxes. It's just the same flaw we've been pointing out over and over in Maggie and Turtle's posts.

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    Re: Romney reveals he pays about 15% in taxes(edited)

    I challenge anyone who can prove what the "poor" in each state pay in terms of sales tax
    property tax, gasoline tax, hunting license fees, fishing license fees, dog tags, car registration fees. there are no records kept on that unlike income taxes and death taxes.

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    Re: Romney reveals he pays about 15% in taxes(edited)

    Quote Originally Posted by teamosil View Post
    That's just federal and income taxes, not all taxes. They left out all the regressive taxes. It's just the same flaw we've been pointing out over and over in Maggie and Turtle's posts.
    its not a flaw-its a fact that smashes your idiotic rants about the rich. "regressive taxes" play no role in figuring out progressive tax rates.

    what is wrong with "regressive taxes? do you think all taxes should be progressive?

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    Re: Romney reveals he pays about 15% in taxes(edited)

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    I challenge anyone who can prove what the "poor" in each state pay in terms of sales tax
    property tax, gasoline tax, hunting license fees, fishing license fees, dog tags, car registration fees. there are no records kept on that unlike income taxes and death taxes.
    Why don't you prove the opposite?

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    Re: Romney reveals he pays about 15% in taxes(edited)

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    I challenge anyone who can prove what the "poor" in each state pay in terms of sales tax
    property tax, gasoline tax, hunting license fees, fishing license fees, dog tags, car registration fees. there are no records kept on that unlike income taxes and death taxes.
    You're being ridiculous. You think it is impossible to like keep track of how much somebody spends on dog tags for a year? lol.

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    Re: Romney reveals he pays about 15% in taxes(edited)

    Quote Originally Posted by winston53660 View Post
    Why don't you prove the opposite?
    I don't have a need to, I am not the one making claims that the poor pay X amount of their income in "regressive taxes". First of all, it doesn't have anything to do with the federal income tax. and I don't need to prove the lack of records. Have you ever had anyone ask your income when you buy a six pack of beer or fill up your car

    This is one of those stupid posts that are made in an attempt to try to attack a position you don't like when you really don't understand the issue or have any valid argument

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    Re: Romney reveals he pays about 15% in taxes(edited)

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    its not a flaw-its a fact that smashes your idiotic rants about the rich. "regressive taxes" play no role in figuring out progressive tax rates.
    Of course regressive taxes are relevant in evaluating whether our system is too regressive or too progressive... Duh.

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    what is wrong with "regressive taxes?
    I've explained this to you patiently 100 times. Remember last time I told you to bookmark the post? Did you bookmark it? If so, please go back to the bookmark and read it again.

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    Re: Romney reveals he pays about 15% in taxes(edited)

    Quote Originally Posted by teamosil View Post
    You're being ridiculous. You think it is impossible to like keep track of how much somebody spends on dog tags for a year? lol.
    each individual can but the government does not have a data base that ties Joe Citizen named Joe Smith who has three dog licenses and his income. If I am a government attorney, I can subpoena the IRS and find out what you made last year and what you paid. Same with the state of California's income tax bureau. there is no way I can find out from any government agency what you paid in gasoline taxes, state sales taxes etc because the only consumer items where a record of purchase are kept are narcotics, firearms and in some states automobiles.

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    Re: Romney reveals he pays about 15% in taxes(edited)

    Quote Originally Posted by teamosil View Post
    Of course regressive taxes are relevant in evaluating whether our system is too regressive or too progressive... Duh.



    I've explained this to you patiently 100 times. Remember last time I told you to bookmark the post? Did you bookmark it? If so, please go back to the bookmark and read it again.
    Its a rhetorical question. Look that up. Its a value judgment on your part since you see taxes as being properly allocated based on ability to pay. Since I reject that premise, your argument has no value. I believe taxes should be based first of all on value received meaning a regressive tax is far more valid-especially for stuff like sales taxes other use taxes

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