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Romney reveals he pays about 15% in taxes(edited)

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TurtleDude said:
BS is someone trying t apply his guess about a group of people he really has no clue about
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You whining "BS" seems to be your all purpose trump card which means "I really have no intelligent argument against that so this will have to do". On the playground it was "I know you are but what am I".
 
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haymarket said:
On the contrary. I have degrees in political science with a minor in sociology. I studied this academically. Then there are years of observation, study, reading, associating with my fellow Americans of all classes and incomes.

So you stand corrected Turtle. I know well of what I speak.

And even if I did not, as an American citizen, I as all American citizens have a perfect right to assert my views in order to impact public policy. No matter how much some wish it were otherwise.
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so you want to play "list my CV" game with me? I deny you have any clue about the wealthy or their children.

sociology-a vague understanding of the obvious. Its up there with art history in terms of useful topics to study
 
haymarket said:
I am sure as an attorney you know well the penalties for criminal behavior.
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the government has raided those who refused to pay taxes. people died. the government has killed people with unpopular beliefs. Why did the feds shoot randy weaver's unarmed wife in the head or his son in the back? in reality because he wouldn't serve as a rat. it was a trumped up gun charge. what federal violations of law justified an armed attack on the nutty Davidians? remember MOVE in Philly? they got bombed
 
TurtleDude said:
so you want to play "list my CV" game with me? I deny you have any clue about the wealthy or their children.

sociology-a vague understanding of the obvious. Its up there with art history in terms of useful topics to study
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Which in your eyes makes me all the more dangerous when I advocate policies that you hate and despise because of your own self interest and personal financial status which you place above the nation.

Either way, you end up making lame excuses for trust fund babies who simply had the good fortune of birth and fighting government taxation on their good fortune.

Like the late great Jackie Gleason used to say as he left the stage..... "how sweet it is".

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Eo3btT7UPA
 
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TurtleDude said:
the government has raided those who refused to pay taxes. people died. the government has killed people with unpopular beliefs. Why did the feds shoot randy weaver's unarmed wife in the head or his son in the back? in reality because he wouldn't serve as a rat. it was a trumped up gun charge. what federal violations of law justified an armed attack on the nutty Davidians? remember MOVE in Philly? they got bombed
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Excellent examples Turtle. Perhaps the IRS should send video's of just that sort of thing to encourage compliance with the law?

On the other hand, I suspect more intelligent folks would see it as grossly misrepresenting the entire issue of taxes and compliance and it would only be a campaign that is ridiculed and mocked for its stupidity.
 
AdamT said:
Musicians, in other words. They aren't actually producing anything when they're dead.
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Elvis raked in tens of millions in his own lifetime and when he died he was on the verge of bankruptcy.

Today his estate extends over a billion dollars. He is worth more dead than alive
 
AdamT said:
The government has killed people for not paying taxes? Do tell.
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I strongly suspect its a string of connect the dots which begins with the government coming to arrest some tax evaders and ends with them taking up arms against the government and getting their own asses blown away in the process.

And that of course translates into the government killing people for non payment of taxes. They will jump from A to Z and conveniently forget the middle letters where the actual reality is.
 
haymarket said:
I strongly suspect its a string of connect the dots which begins with the government coming to arrest some tax evaders and ends with them taking up arms against the government and getting their own asses blown away in the process.

And that of course translates into the government killing people for non payment of taxes. They will jump from A to Z and conveniently forget the middle letters where the actual reality is.
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Or, it could be an illustration of the extent of the use of "Government force" upon its citizenry. See, progressives see government as in control of peoples lives, where as the Constitution expressly places the individual above government. That is the core of what progressives hate, and what they talk about "change", and "fundamental transformation"....


j-mac
 
j-mac said:
Or, it could be an illustration of the extent of the use of "Government force" upon its citizenry. See, progressives see government as in control of peoples lives, where as the Constitution expressly places the individual above government. That is the core of what progressives hate, and what they talk about "change", and "fundamental transformation"....


j-mac
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its to be expected when people think the rich ought to get on their knees and grovel for the "privilege" of keeping what they have for "NOW"

I wonder why so many people think the government is so much wiser an entity to use our money than we are
 
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TurtleDude said:
the death tax is a surtax on those who pay the most income tax. its time to get rid of it
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I have already told you that I support the ending of the estate tax to you the neologism that you embrace as part of your political marching orders.

All we have to do is consider that transfer of money as normal income and apply the proper tax bracket as we do with all people putting new money into their pocket.
 
j-mac said:
Or, it could be an illustration of the extent of the use of "Government force" upon its citizenry. See, progressives see government as in control of peoples lives, where as the Constitution expressly places the individual above government. That is the core of what progressives hate, and what they talk about "change", and "fundamental transformation"....


j-mac
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Yet another advocate of hyperbolic exaggeration and leaving out the necessary contextual details.

Progressives cannot hate a fiction of your own invention.
 
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haymarket said:
I have already told you that I support the ending of the estate tax to you the neologism that you embrace as part of your political marching orders.

All we have to do is consider that transfer of money as normal income and apply the proper tax bracket as we do with all people putting new money into their pocket.
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why does the government need that money and what exchange of value accompanies it?
 
haymarket said:
Yet another advocate of hyperbolic exaggeration and leaving out the necessary contextual details.
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why are you so enamored with government and why do you constantly want to feed a hog that should have remained a chicken?
 
TurtleDude said:
why are you so enamored with government and why do you constantly want to feed a hog that should have remained a chicken?
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Is that a rural farm reference? Do you raise chickens that turn into hogs? Sorry, but I am a humble city boy who never heard of such wizardry.
 
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TurtleDude said:
why does the government need that money and what exchange of value accompanies it?
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It is called INCOME as in a new owner gets the money for themselves........ much like getting a paycheck or salary. As to why the government needs it, you just wrote a mean comment to me earlier claiming that you do not need to be educated to matters of government. Now you show basic ignorance of the need of government for funds. What gives? Please make up your mind about what you need to be informed about.
 
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haymarket said:
It is called INCOME as in a new owner gets the money for themselves........ much like getting a paycheck or salary. As to why the government needs it, you just wrote a mean comment to me earlier claiming that you do not need to be educated to matters of government. Now you show basic ignorance of the need of government for funds. What gives? Please make up your mind about what you need to be informed about.
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that is so wrong. its not the same as income that is derived for an exchange of value

and you are the one that thinks the government needs more and more and Haymarket I doubt there is any government issue that you can demonstrate I am ignorant of compared to you or most of the posters on this board

The government does not need more money. The government is far too big, far too bloated and far too wasteful of our wealth
 
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TurtleDude said:
that is so wrong. its not the same as income that is derived for an exchange of value
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Employing the classic Indiana Jones RAIDERS move yet again I see Turtle.
"I just make it up as I go along"
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Perhaps you could quote the law for us about this necessary element of exchange of value? Just so we know this is not something you pulled out of ..... thin air let us say.
 
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haymarket said:
Employing the classic Indiana Jones RAIDERS move yet again I see Turtle. .

Perhaps you could quote the law for us about this necessary element of exchange of value? Just so we know this is not something you pulled out of ..... thin air let us say.
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perhaps you can justify why this government needs more money
 
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TurtleDude said:
perhaps you can justify why this government needs more money
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They have a huge national debt to pay.

Your turn: quote us the law about this invention of yours that you keep referring to...... what was that cute little name for it????? Oh yes.... exchange of value. Cite the law on that please.
 
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haymarket said:
They have a huge national debt to pay.

Your turn: quote us the law about this invention of yours that you keep referring to...... what was that cute little name for it????? Oh yes.... exchange of value. Cite the law on that please.
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uh and how will that be paid down with your beloved tax hikes on the rich


it won't be, we need massive massive cuts-the revenue the government gets now is billions upon billions more than it needs
 
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haymarket said:
They have a huge national debt to pay.

Your turn: quote us the law about this invention of yours that you keep referring to...... what was that cute little name for it????? Oh yes.... exchange of value. Cite the law on that please.
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You dont help a credit card junkie by loaning them more money. Government must stop spending first. That isnt even close to occurring.
 
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OpportunityCost said:
You dont help a credit card junkie by loaning them more money. Government must stop spending first. That isnt even close to occurring.
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If you want the credit card junkie to vote for you and you can make someone else pay the bills, its a win=win for the junkie and his enabler

that is what we have now
 
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TurtleDude said:
uh and how will that be paid down with your beloved tax hikes on the rich


it won't be, we need massive massive cuts-the revenue the government gets now is billions upon billions more than it needs
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We have a $15 TRILLION debt. If you think we can get it under control without raising more revenue you have your head burried somewhere.
 
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