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    Re: Romney's tax rate is only half as high as the middle class pays

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    lots of things congress does is not properly supported by the constitution

    the war on drugs comes to mind
    And the Supreme Court has said that?
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    Re: Romney's tax rate is only half as high as the middle class pays

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    Again, you are confusing two different things. General Welfare and the modern practice of welfare are not the same thing. They do not have to be the same thing. While the word WELFARE can have different meanings, in this case the first can justify the second.

    Or do you have a Supreme Court ruling that says otherwise?
    This is your attempt at "reasoning":

    "If Dad didn't want me to drive the car, he wouldn't have left me these keys."

    "But those keys are for the lawn mower."

    "It's pretty vague. And he never said I couldn't drive the car."
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    Re: Romney's tax rate is only half as high as the middle class pays

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    Again, you are confusing two different things. General Welfare and the modern practice of welfare are not the same thing. They do not have to be the same thing. While the word WELFARE can have different meanings, in this case the first can justify the second.

    Or do you have a Supreme Court ruling that says otherwise?
    that makes no sense at all.

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    Re: Romney's tax rate is only half as high as the middle class pays

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    yeah that proves that everyone running the GOP is far more right wing than Reagan.
    The current GOP as constituted in the Congress would NEVER agree to approve the Reagan initiatives on immigration.

    Please do not think anyone here is stupid enough to believe that the position of one current Republican is the clear and obvious dominant party position. And it is intellectually dishonest to pretend it is.
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    Re: Romney's tax rate is only half as high as the middle class pays

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    that makes no sense at all.
    Why is that?

    You do not know the difference between the term General Welfare as used in the Constitution and the term welfare as the current social program?
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    Re: Romney's tax rate is only half as high as the middle class pays

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    And the Supreme Court has said that?
    I love how you justify stuff based on whatever justifies what you want

    for example

    you justify a progressive tax scheme because it is the law

    but then you whine about the tax rates on investment income which of course has the same "support" as the current tax scheme involving earned income.

    You justify crap that is clearly contrary to the constitution because a lapdog FDR supreme court allowed it and subsequent courts were obedient to precedent but you whine about citizens united which has the exact same validity as the stuff the FDR court allowed

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    Re: Romney's tax rate is only half as high as the middle class pays

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    Why is that?

    You do not know the difference between the term General Welfare as used in the Constitution and the term welfare as the current social program?
    that also makes no sense at all

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    Re: Romney's tax rate is only half as high as the middle class pays

    Quote Originally Posted by Harshaw View Post
    This is your attempt at "reasoning":

    "If Dad didn't want me to drive the car, he wouldn't have left me these keys."

    "But those keys are for the lawn mower."

    "It's pretty vague. And he never said I couldn't drive the car."
    I ha e no idea what you are talking about. I suspect you are confusing apples with cinderblocks.
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    Re: Romney's tax rate is only half as high as the middle class pays

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    that also makes no sense at all
    Then you need to go to a dictionary to get informed, educated and illuminated.
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    Re: Romney's tax rate is only half as high as the middle class pays

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    I love how you justify stuff based on whatever justifies what you want

    for example

    you justify a progressive tax scheme because it is the law

    but then you whine about the tax rates on investment income which of course has the same "support" as the current tax scheme involving earned income.

    You justify crap that is clearly contrary to the constitution because a lapdog FDR supreme court allowed it and subsequent courts were obedient to precedent but you whine about citizens united which has the exact same validity as the stuff the FDR court allowed
    I am not justifying anything. I support a progressive tax system for a large variety of reasons which have been discussed at length. If you need them again, I will be happy to provide them. The fact that the Supreme Court and the Constitution supports a progressive tax system is a reality.... but that is not what my support is based on. For you to say it is would be a lie and a falsehood and a perversion of my actual position.

    I am merely trying to find out if your opinion is based on anything more than your opinion which is based on what you believe because you want to believe it.

    So is it and can you cite evidence to support it?
    Last edited by haymarket; 01-21-12 at 01:21 PM.
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